-Baby/dp/B00006YXH0/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-...st standup ever. I've listened to it many times.<br><br>It was recorded in 2002 when the Cowboy President was riding high, long before Iraq was even an issue. Yet, Cross calls him out on everything. There's about an hour's worth of that and it is classic. Here's another snippet. Caution: watch out for naughty words.<br><embed src="http://weinertlab.kicks-ass.org/~hunter/temp/cross_terrorism.mov" autoplay="false"></embed><br><br>

Chuang Tse said it, not me.<br>Personally, I'm busy getting shaved down daily on the lathe<br>since my curse has always been to demand answers, that's<br>one of the reasons to have explored so many religions in a <br>single lifetime, just to come to the conclusion that there<br>ain't even an Invisible Pink Unicorn to turn to for answers.<br>[color:white]. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .</font color=white><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green> [color:green]. . . _ _ _ . . .</font color=green><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I read this and every time I hear "God fearing Christian" I want to puke.<p><hr></blockquote><p> Hear, hear!!! <br>Couldn't have stated it better myself!<br><br><br>[color:blue][/b]Hodie mihi. Cras tibi.</font color=blue>[/b]

I guess I don't see religion as being different from any other ideology, doesn't matter what it is, whether philosophical or economic or political or whatever. I take it back--religion is different from other ideologies for the reason that poly has emphasized here: it's licensed, accepted, received, and no one recognizes it to be an ideology. Where I probably part company with poly and Trog and other scientifically inclined folks--positivists, as we humanists like to call you guys--is on the idea that "science" (whatever that means in a very large and comprehensive sense) is somehow immune from ideology.<br><br>Now, I know that I'll not be able to argue convincingly that positivism is as suspect as any other ideology, but I hope that scientific skepticism can extend far enough to reflect on itself.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;

<OL><B>"…scientific skepticism can extend far enough to reflect on itself."</B></OL>In a nutshell, that science is self-skeptical is the whole point.<br><br>

Yes, except about its own philosophical underpinnings. That's my point.<br><br>&#63743; &#63743; &#63743; &#63743;

Coming in late, but just wanted to put in a comment or two.<br><br>It seems that everything you mention (wars in the name of god, child rapes or whatever, etc) are all caused by man.<br><br>Look at Jim Jones. Remember him? Or David Koresh? Or Jim Bakker. Or any of those preachers you would see on TV. Or the priests who abused kids.<br><br>What do they have in common? They were all human. In control of their own self who used religion to cover themselves. Perhaps it's a power thing. You know that saying about how power corrupts?<br><br>Personally, I feel that if you don't believe in anything other than we'll just deteriorate in the dirt and that's it, then fine, but I think that's a sad way to live, because if this is all we have to live for... But to say that (and I forgot if it was you or someone else, so forgive me if it wasn't you) anyone who believes is an idiot and brainwashed, that's sad too. Intolerance is ignorant. <br><br>Why limit yourself? Why shut yourself off from that area? If you really think that wars were caused by religions, then I guess you aren't as smart as I thought you were. It's man using it as an excuse/cover. <br><br>But anyway, it's your freedom to choose whatever you believe. Just don't call me brainwashed or stupid just because I choose to believe.<br><br><br><br><br>my beer blog<br>

This entire thread begs the question: "Where's Murdoch?" <br><br>

"but I hope that scientific skepticism can extend far enough to reflect on itself."<br><br>Didn't you know? It's all been figured out, just a few more details to be ironed out and presto, it all fits together!<br><br>We are what we repeatedly do. -Aristotle

So, following your "logic," we should never talk to or teach our children anything.<br><br>