What was that sound?<br><br><br> Bush won't rule out Libby pardon<br><br>[color:blue] "As to the future, I rule nothing in and nothing out," the president said a day after commuting Libby's 2 1/2-year prison term in the CIA leak case.</font color=blue><br><br><br>Oh. Just the other shoe dropping.<br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]Just push play ~ They're gonna bleep it anyway ~ </font color=blue><br><br>
_________________________ I always deserve it. Really.
What I think is a hoot is the righties excuses for Libby...<br><br> "no crime was committed".... 5 counts of purgery and obstruction of justice isn't a crime? Try lying to an IRS agent !<br>...furthermore "purgery" sure was a high crime when Clinton did it !! <br><br>..." Plame was only a desk jockey!' <br>ah at the trial it was established she WAS a covert agent and the "dummy company ' she supposedly worked for WAS gathering intelligence data on WMDs..<br><br>Bush Sr once spoke of the severity of compromising our intelligence community.. guess his little BRAT and friends weren't listening !! <br><br>David (OFI)
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>5 counts of purgery and obstruction of justice<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>As I understand it, you do the purging when you have an obstruction.<br><br><br>Wait for it . . . wait for it.<br><br><br><br>
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US Code Title 50 Chapter 15 Subchapter IV<br><br>Lays out the penalties for outing a covert agent. Section 426 contains the definitions used under the law:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>(4) The term “covert agent” means— <br>(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency— <br>(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and <br>(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States;<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>So for legal purposes VP doesn't fall into this category. There isn't much for a judge to question here, sure the intelligence agency considered her to be covert, but the letter of the law doesn't allow for a person in her position to have her covertness to be protected by the law.<br><br>Now maybe the legislation needs to modify the definition to include covert agents within the US borders. But until that time outing a covert desk jockey is not illegal.<br><br>I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Llewelyn on 07/04/07 08:51 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
Plame did have a legit, covert position within the CIA. And folks will argue no she didn't/yes she did till kingdom come. But consider ~ this whole Scooter thing came down because of . . . ? Joe Wilson. His Niger report was one of many holes in the wall of lies built by the Administration in its run up to invading Iraq. <br><br>If, like all the neocons would have had us believe back when we just might have, that Wilson was wrong, why couldn't they simply prove it? Why didn't they back up their beliefs with facts? Wilson had his ducks in a row. Those ducks were easy targets if he was so very wrong. Well, discounting Cheney's aim ~ I know, cheap shot.<br><br>Instead this latest pile that Bush has stepped into all started with the outing of Valerie Plame. And nobody, not a single person has come up with any good reason for discrediting Wilson's wife, via Scooter. <br><br>It doesn't make much sense. And, really, it's just so . . . high school. It's lunacy like this that makes me believe the neocon crowd is more a collection of dangerous idiots than any kind of outfit with real, workable policies. <br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]Just push play ~ They're gonna bleep it anyway ~ </font color=blue><br><br>
_________________________ I always deserve it. Really.
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It's lunacy like this that makes me believe the neocon crowd is more a collection of dangerous idiots than any kind of outfit with real, workable policies.<br><br>And they are giving serious thought to Newt running for president? Think GW with a brain. Real scary! <br><br>(I wasn't here.) <br><br>
Well no matter what the statute says, IT WAS ESTABLISHED during the hearings she was covert, so she MUST have fit some criteria... maybe some that wasn't made public... ie like everything the Bush Admin has done .... was kept in secret !<br><br>the right-wing Neocon zombats can say that til the cows come home, but it was established LEGALLY she was... just cause she wasn't overseas doesn't mean she wasn't "under cover".<br><br>and even if she wasn't, LYING under oath is a felony... Clinton proved that... <br><br>so it's OK for Libby... what a 2 faced system!!<br><br>This is why the GOP is sinking... people are finally seeing their hypocrisy !!<br>(example: look at Rudy.. for choice, NO against it, ... for gun control.. NO against it... for gay rights.. NO against it... ... yep "swinging door" Rudy !! )<br><br>Let Newt run... only idiots would vote for that slime bag. He has so much baggage, Delta charges him quintuple fares !! <br><br><br><br><br>David (OFI)
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