Just saw Bill Moyers on the selling of the war. I'm so god=awful depressed. But the question that still remains unasked even, let alone unanswered, is WHY? What in the name of Amerigo Vespucci did the liars who got us into this mess thing they were doing? What benefit did they envision? And for whom? It's clear as can be that they had to recognize they were lying, so it's not a matter of confusion of mistake or error. People lie when they think that they have something to gain by lying. WHAT??<br><br>
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$$ for their Corporate Donors... they thought the could trade our treasury (and security) for continued GOP dominance... look at all the contractors feeding like mad hogs at the Govt "tit".<br>it's the 1980's $50 hammer all over again. ... except this time its $500 !<br><br>And they thought voters won't change Pres if they're in a War!<br>They were right. ... but it was close. I think if more knew then what they do now ... Bush would have gotten trounced badly. even 6 months later in the war and I think he'd have lost. And if the truth about TIllman and Lynch had gotten out... <br><br>It's also about being the dominant player in the World Oil market... it's several things... all in a tight Rovean package... with a BIG Cheney Bow !<br><br>Hate to say it (not really) but if our society wasn't so "hell bent on Violence" to solve problems - they wouldn't have been suckered so easily ! I thought we learned a lesson from Vietnam... but suckers are born every minute... and the worst ones are those who don't listen to history ... or past mistakes.<br>Fools on steroids.<br><br><br>David (OFI)
But they can't be that stupid, David! I mean, the problem with lies is . . . well, that they're lies, and lies have a nasty habit of being shown to be lies. The dumbest of dumb teenagers knows that's the case. So what did they expect would happen when the lies were found to be lies? The loss of house and senate are just the first step, I hope. I know Kucinich has introduced a bill of impeachment on both pres. and v-p, but I hope, I really and truly hope that it goes beyond that. What these people did is really and truly criminal. I hope that all the sobs get jail terms. And I mean everyone of the mothers, including the nongovernmental asses like Kristol and Krauthammer. And the one who deserves it the most, I'm sorry to say, is Colin Powell. I cannot believe that man is a snivelling idiot, so he must have known that what he was saying to the UN was lie built on lie. He belongs in jail.<br><br>You know, I used to be against the idea of impeachment because I thought we couldn't stand another round of instability in DC. I guess you can tell I've changed my mind.<br><br>
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As if WHY isn't big enough, there's WHEN. When will these liars be prosecuted? Yes, I said prosecuted. Not impeached. Not fired. Not forced to resign. Not re-assigned... But arrested, tried, and convicted for the despicable, deadly, corrupt, and flat out illegal acts they've committed. When?<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> well, that they're lies, and lies have a nasty habit of being shown to be lies. <p><hr></blockquote><p> They are only lies if they don't work out. If we had been able to control Iraq, install a puppet government, and move on to attack Syria do you think we would be talking about lies?<br><br>No way. The victor gets to write history. There would be no talk of lies. Just the trumpeting of the flag of democracy planted in one more country in the middle east.<br><br>Listen to Guiliani and MacCain and Bush. They are still waving that flag. They know we will all forget about the lies in a New York minute if we could just win in Iraq.<br><br>That they are completely delusional does not belie the fact we would all forget about the lies if suddenly their policy started working.<br><br>We all knew when it was happening that they were lies but most saw only revenge and victory. That made all the lies go away.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
<h2>Built Upon Lies</h2><br>Iraq: the Road to War<br>From John Foster Dulles to the War in Iraq: <br>Understanding Modern Warfare and Global Economics<br><br>The most tragic element of the Iraq war disaster is not the eventuality of war itself, <br>but the manner in which highly educated men and women as students of history accepted <br>the disinformation and distortion of military intelligence put forward by the Bush admin-<br>istration, which included patently false information and forged documents supporting al-<br>legations that Iraq possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction [and thus posed a military threat <br>to the United States] when in fact it did not; we must assume that Congress was complicit in <br>the Iraq war fraud, or that Congress was misled by senior Bush administration officials in <br>an alleged criminal conspiracy of a magnitude hitherto unknown in American history. The <br>intent to deceive Congress through intentional deception, manipulation and submission of <br>false data [as supplied by the Bush administration] with intent to authorize war versus <br>another sovereign nation on false pretenses, is a crime versus the United States and an <br>unlawful act on the part of the perpetrators.<br><br>.::[color:red]Read On</font color=red>::.<br><br>[color:white].</font color=white><br>[color:white]. . </font color=white>
<br>The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield <br>the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences <br>of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of <br>its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, <br>and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State." <br>--Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels.<br><br>SourceWatch.org<br><br>[color:white].</font color=white><br>[color:white]. . </font color=white>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I think Goebbels is selling the lie short. The truth is not the enemy of the liar as long as the liar is delivering the goods. We had quick victory in Iraq and mission accomplished and the majority ate it all up even though the lies were apparent for anyone with two brain cells to understand.<br><br>If we have a sudden lull in the fighting in Iraq or we have another 9/11 attack on one of our cities we will forget about the lies in an instant. We'll be back waving the flags and calling Pelosi and Reid traitors. (Oh wait, lots of people are calling them traitors.)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
[censored]!<br><br>Thats eggzackly why I never STOPPED <br>waiting for "The OTHER Shoe to Drop"!<br><br> [color:red]posted 09-16-2001 01:39 PM </font color=red> <br>---------------------------------------<br><br>Fool me once, ...Shame on YOU,<br>Fool me TWICE, ...........Shame on ME!<br><br>“Beware of those, which come to you in sheep's clothing, <br>but inwardly they are ravening wolves. <br>Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.<br><br>***<br><br>We've had our little cry, <br>......and while we still have the taste of blood in our mouths <br>from licking our Own Wounds,<br><br>The time has come to SUCK-UP, & BUCK-UP !!!<br><br>***** ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM ! *****<br><br>It's time to set your teeth, and set your resolve!<br>STEEL YOUR NERVES for the Days to Follow!<br><br><br>We can't allow each subsequent blow to TERRORIZE Us.<br>That after all, ---is the "Name of Their Game."<br><br><br>We also can't afford to be taken unawares again!<br>That is now innocence mournfully lost.<br><br>We cannot afford to remain demoralised.<br>Bind up your wounds, -----<br>----they make you further vulnerable to fresh attack!<br>You must begin to STEEL YOUR MINDS for possible things to come.<br><br><br>Use your BEST Judgement when listening to rumors,<br>Check, and Double Check the SOURCE!<br>Don't use your Primitive "Monkey-Brain, or "Gut-Reaction"<br>FILTER things through Your HUMAN "Thinking-Brain!"<br>(that's what it's there for!)<br>That's what will keep you moving ---and SURVIVING!<br><br>Don't fall pray to those trying to foster doubt.<br>Doubt Is The Killer of Resolve! <br><br>Put aside your petty quarrels.<br>Join together with friends and allies.<br>Don't allow people to come amoung you<br>trying to devide you on meaningless issues.<br>There's only ONE Issue here!<br><br>***** In UNITY Lies Our True Strength! *****<br><br><br>ILLEGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM !<br><br><br><br><br>[color:white].</font color=white><br>[color:white]. . </font color=white><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Celandine on 04/26/07 01:06 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Little men with limited imagination, unlimited appetites for power and enormous egos. They read Ann Ryand and took her crap seriously. <br><br>I've always wondered ~ what if she'd just gotten laid by the right guy, you know, some blue collar cat . . .<br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]Just push play ~ Theyre gonna bleep it anyway ~ </font color=blue><br><br>
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