Sorry, that's where I draw the line in the sand.<br>IMHO nukes never belonged on the face of this planet.<br><br>You'll never convince me that dumping that crap down<br>a crack in the earth won't wind up in the common Aquifer.<br><br>Case in point.<br>there are similar cases in Europe & the Former Soviet Union.<br><br>You have to remember WHO we're dealing with here.<br>Whenever they tell me 'not to worry', my hair goes a little more gray. <br><br>[color:white].</font color=white><br>
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Nuclear sounds great until we get to the (humongous) problem of radioactive waste disposal. This personal concern of mine has never been alleviated by any explanation or proposal, no matter how rational or scientifically posed - at least, not thus far<br><br>In short, I fear we would be addressing short term needs in exchange for creating a ticking time bomb the scope of which would rival the worst natural calamities that have ever befallen the world. How do you create 'safe' subterranean storage systems that people 10 millennia from now will still readily understand is utterly deadly - assuming you can safely store these materials over that period of time? Seems to me we are relying awfully heavily on theory here. If anyone can allay my concerns I would be more than happy to read their responses.<br><br>Having said that, coal sucks and we can't keep on fouling the air as much as we do. We (humanity) are in between a rock and a hard spot.<br><br>[color:red]max</font color=red>
Your case in point is my case in point. From Hnaford to Snake River, we have hundreds of nuclear waste sites. We cannot wish them away. We need to put them all in Yucca Mountain where we can keep track of it. Until we do that we are treading on thin ice. Once Yucca is open we have plenty of room and plenty of time to decide what we do. <br><br>By not opening new nuclear power plants we are killing thousands today. Repeat, thousands a day. Since we are not all going to unplug from the grid we need electricity in much more massive amounts than wind and solar. Most hydro is another blot on the environmental landscape. I wasn't kidding when I said I want the Paige Dam blown up. <br><br>Now I would like to tell the people of Las Vegas and other desert cities they have to pack up and go away but it is not going to happen. So we need nuclear power or we will continue to burn the southwest coal, and the coal through Appalachia and all those plumes go right across the country killing untold numbers. Untold because the epidemiology would be too burdensome to do. But we are all dying from it.<br><br>It is also the only way we will get control of greenhouse gases and start curtailing them but it is the particulate that is killing us today.<br><br>Nuclear power makes zero grenhous gases. Zero CO2. Nuclear power does not pollute. The fuel can be contained. Japan and France open and are running hundreds of nuclear power plants. Don't you think Japan would be worried or do they know something we don't? <br><br><br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>Having said that, coal sucks and we can't keep on fouling the air as much as we do. We (humanity) are in between a rock and a hard spot.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>It's not a rock and a hard place. The place we are in right now is we are causing today untold thousands to die early from cancer and emphysema. The alternative is clean energy and a theory that says wee can create a repository that will last 40,000 years. If we cannot leave a message stating what is in Yucca Mountain which someone could understand we are really pretty stupid. <br><br>But the alternative is to give those people 40,000 years from now a drastically different earth than what we see. We burn all the coal and they will google "Idiots" and there will be a picture of all of us back here quivering in fear of nuclear power while we kill ourselves breathing the toxic fumes of coal fired power plants.<br><br>I would like to stay out of that group photo. <br><br><br>
I salute the gist of your post but the only thing I would add is that Japan is not worried simply because most of us, the Japanese included, can't or won't think beyond the course of our own lifetimes. Waaaaaay beyond, matter of fact. No, the usual inclination is to procrastinate and rationalize that we'll dream up something later. Or that technology will save our @sses. We're really good at such rationalizations.<br><br>But I think you are right, Poly. We have to move away hard from coal and tighten up & consolidate the storage of our ever-growing stockpile of spent fuel rods. Otherwise all we are doing is preparing the planet to play host to life forms hardier than our own.<br><br>[color:red]max</font color=red>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If we cannot leave a message stating what is in Yucca Mountain which someone could understand we are really pretty stupid. <p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, perhaps I've read too much dystopian SF featuring post-nuclear societies. I'm guessing that there might be precious little difference between a 40,000 year old toxic waste site (complete with ominous-looking warning signs) and a tempting site for would-be grave robbers looking to score some killer buried treasure.<br><br>[color:red]max</font color=red>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>picture of all of us back here quivering in fear of nuclear power while we <br>kill ourselves breathing the toxic fumes of coal fired power plants.<br><br>I would like to stay out of that group photo. <p><hr></blockquote><p>I find it somewhat amusing <br>that the very people that CHOSE to drag their feet on this issue for the last 40 YEARS<br>are now PUSHING for the QUICK FIX (again) with little thought to the consequences!<br><br>As far as the JApanese reactors go:<br><br>A Quick Google search turns up the same sort of BS that I found for the Indian Point Plant<br><br>on the first page alone, accidents and fires & leakage incidents from 1995-Dec. 2007<br><br>This morning when I touched on the issue, I briefly read about the irradiated soil and<br>ground water they're still testing that was taken from the surrounding areas.<br><br>GRANTED the government took WAY TOO LONG to get on board funidng the research and<br>development that could have already been waiting to come on line, (but sadly isn't)<br>but compounding the problem by quick fixes that will lead to bigger problems down<br>the road is in many people's opinion, NOT a viable option at this point in time.<br><br>Various solar technologies, geothermic, photo voltaic, and wind power are already<br>workable solutions, THEY WORK! The only IMMEDIATE problem is mass producing<br>the units and marketing them in such a way as to force the drop in price to make it<br>attractive enough for people to invest in quickly enough to begin to make a difference.<br><br>IOW--- ASAP<br><br>[color:white].</font color=white><br>
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