CaseCom,<br><br>I certainly respect your opinion and that of yoyo52 regarding the movie.<br><br>Still haven't seen it. Am beginning to believe I won't, nor the next two movies either.<br><br>I've literally read hundreds of reviews on the Inet of the movie by now. I think I knew the screen play's plot before the movie was shown. Most of the well known books written about the movie were written by members of The Tolkien Society.<br><br>Actually the plot, some of the more interesting features, etc. were in wide circulation last summer.<br><br>I've probably read LOTR three dozen times, the Hobbit several dozen times, The History of Middle Earth twice, the Silmarillion maybe five times, etc. etc. for The Lost Tales and The Unfinished Tales, Farmer Giles of Ham and Tom Bombadil. The "number of readings" is a wild guess. I would challenge yoyo52, for example, to try to guess how many times he's read Beowulf or Canterbury Tales. <br><br>My generation, the 1960's, "discovered" Tolkien. There probably wasn't an English major on the campus, probably not one in the Humanities, that didn't have some rag tag paperback copy of something by the Professor with us at all times. The English department had about ten "clubs." One for example had members who enjoyed reading Chaucer aloud to the others. The Tolkien Club had 100 times as many members as the other clubs combined. No course of any kind was offered in the Department in those days on Tolkien.<br><br>With yoyo52's "reminder" I did dig around and discover that I first read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight translation by Tolkien, his translation of Beowulf, and I believe that's when I first encountered The Monsters and the Critics which yoyo52 mentions as useful in his classes on Beowulf. I don't think it was a text in the course (two actually) I had but I stumbled onto it in the library and later bought it.<br><br>My best, "reading set" of LOTR and Hobbit is a four volume set published by Urwin in the UK in the 1970's. It's very nice and was a special editon. Over Christmas my mother found a three volume set of LOTR in paperback that was extremely worn and obviously well read. From the date of printing, and from the location, The Grandchildren's Room, I know it belonged to one of my three kids. It's possible all three may have shared it. I still have the original paperbacks of three of the four which I purchased in the 1960's. They're disintegrating. <br><br>Coincidentally I purchased one of the $70. single-volume (red cover) copies of LOTR in an after Christmas sale maybe ten years ago at B. Dalton. (Don't ask what I was doing in a B. Dalton.) I thought it would make a nice future gift and it still sits on my bookshelve sealed in some plastic covering. The "sale" price was $15.00. It's the same one you mention. Dozens are for sale all the time on eBay, The Tolkien Society stocks it, Amazon & BN have it, etc. It's been rather popular and appears to be of very high quality.<br><br>Sounds like all you have to do is get on my Christmas gift list. <br><br>Actually I'm saving it for my grandchildren. I've been buying a number of books post-Christmas when I find them on sale, Tolkien and others. I don't recall seeing that later edition of the one I have offered at a specal price, although you might want to check one of the many booksellers who list on eBay or the "used" (often new) listings on Amazon. The latter place is where I've bought many books. Many times booksellers around the country will undercut Amazon's price and list it in the "used" section. See the same page on Amazon where a book is listed and click on the "buy it used" link. I bought/ordered a very nice looking copy, this one slightly used, of Joyce's Ulysses in hardback today. The price was less than that for the paperback. <br><br>I usually only buy special order books from Amazon and BN anymore. I often special order from Fatbrain because their service is better than BN (which owns Fatbrain.com). I've started buying virtually everything "buy it used" on Amazon or on eBay. I normally buy only from booksellers which can be recognized by their user name or list of other books for sale. Both sites have rating systems.<br><br>I've given up on Amazon and Yahoo Auctions. eBay is the best place in the world IMO to buy first editions which I collect for 20th century English fiction and poetry. You learn who the reliable sellers are and I never buy anything without using PayPal which "insures" I'll get the item described. I've spent a good deal of my life haunting book shops on the left and right coasts for books. The ones in California are now much better than they were, but I still find the shops in New England the best place to find rare books in a first edition, first issue copy.<br><br>Houghton Mifflin has a set of hardback LOTR (don't recall if Hobbit too) that is of good quality. Probably the best place to shop for really nice quality copies is The Tolkien Society. If nothing else you can use their description to search on BN or Amazon. They have at least three very nice editions on their present list, as well as several of "standard" quality like the Houghton Mifflin. The Brits seem to have a greater interest in quality books than we do and the Society has always had high quality editions.<br><br>I received a book from the Society yesterday, a rare (especially in the U.S.) first edition of Vol. 8 from The History of Middle Earth in UK first edition. My twelve volume set is now short only two in the UK version, but they are rapidly becoming collector's items. Both the US and UK set of all twelve volumes is available in the very high quality three volume set (the History) on eBay at prices which are sometimes quite good. I have both of these two sets. But I'm not really a serious Tolkien collector and don't know if I want to pay the price for the two missing volumes from the 12 volume UK set. I also have the 12 volume US set.<br><br>As mentioned, the red special edition you've looked at appears to be of very good quality. With the plastic wrapping on it I can't tell what the actually cover material is but it does appear to be very nice.<br><br>But the movie? I don't know. I continue to procrastinate. I belong to one of the Tolkien forums and have two college students, both young women, who badger me every time I post about going to see the movie. Both are intent on rescuing me from the perfidy of my ways. And they are very devoted fans. One is majoring in Anglo-Saxon and I think has read more translations of Beowulf than I knew existed. I've lost the URL, unfortunately, but one of her professors has a two year old child who can recite Beowulf. In the original.<br><br>The web site is really quite remarkable. I'd intended to post it for the benefit of yoyo52 because I thought he'd be interested. Remarkable. I have two bright grandsons, age 4, who enjoy retrieving the "book of Mr. Sam" (Life on the Mississippi) for me to read to them, but they're not exactly quoting lengthy passages from it. And Sam Clemens didn't write in Old English. <br><br>Your girlfriend had no fear of the massed hordes of Orcs? <br><br>Am told that and Gandalf doing combat with the Balrog is a bit distressing to some. I picked up a very nice graphic of that scene somewhere and sometimes use it for my desktop pattern.<br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>The box said "Requires Microsoft Windows or better" so I bought a Macintosh.
What did you think of the introductory section of the movie, CaseCom? I thought it was useful for folks who hadn't read the books. Did your girlfriend think so? A lot of that material came from Silmarillion.<br><br>Like 128_Mac, I've read the books many many times. My first reading I still remember, back in the summer of 1966. I remember that I stayed up all night finishing Two Towers, then went to the nearest bookstore, which happened to be at the bus depot in Coral Gables, Fla., as soon as the buses started running the next morning, and then read half-way through Return of the King before I collapsed. Between that summer and the next, I must have read LOTR some six times. My parents were getting divorced then, and it was a great way not to pay attention to all that mess. And then my mother remarried, and the books helped a lot in dealing with my jerky step father.<br><br>I wish I could recapture the feeling of that first reading, though!<br><br>And that's true too.--Shakespeare, King Lear
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#3108 - 01/14/0204:58 AMRe: Lord of the Rings
I think dramatizing the background of the Ring in the beginning of the movie was a wise move. That info is in the Silm, but it's also presented in FOTR as explication by Gandalf and Elrond (to Frodo in Bag End, and later to the Council at Rivendell). Following the book in this manner I think would have slowed the movie down too much.<br><br>I think the biggest weakness of the film is the lack of "alone time" character development for the four hobbits; you don't really get to know Merry and Pippin that well because everything between Bucklebury Ferry and Bree is skipped over. But again, it's a compromise I probably would have made too if I were in PJ's position.<br><br>I was introduced to LOTR in the sixth grade by a middle-school teacher. Our lunch hours were split into two parts: in one half you ate lunch, the other half you took part in an activity, the offerings for which ranged from the purely recreational (playing foosball) to more scholarly (a special optional extension of Spanish class for those who were taking Spanish).<br><br>My favorite activity was one where the teacher (one of my favorite teachers) would read fantasy novels aloud to the class. You could do homework or doze off in the back if you wanted, but I was among the kids sitting up front hanging on every word of "The Hobbit," "Fellowship," the first couple of books in the Xanth series by Piers Anthony, and "the Wizard of Earthsea" by Ursula K. LeGuin (the first book in the Earthsea trilogy, which I highly recommend).<br><br>Anyway, I promptly went out and bought that Ballantine paperback edition of LOTR and devoured the whole thing. I vividly remember first reading "Return of the King" as I traveled to New York for my grandfather's funeral; I couldn't put it down. That would have been spring of 1981, when I was 11 years old. In short order I read LOTR four times. Got the Silm, too, and read that at least twice.<br><br>Then a few years ago I picked up that new LOTR edition, which I reread, and I also discovered a CD set of that BBC production that was recorded sometime in the '80s (with Ian Holm as Frodo -- excellent). Just last week I picked up "Unfinished Tales" at Barnes & Noble. I'm not sure I'll ever make it to the "History of Middle-earth" series; I hate to say it but it seems a little too daunting.<br><br>
The BBC series of 1981 is presently being rebroadcast on Channel 4, BBC.com, Saturday mornings as I recall. Two of the thirteen episides have aired, but eleven remain. <br><br>I think I like the NPR series of LOTR better, but only because I heard it first.<br><br>I believe part of the intro to the movie is taken from The Unfinished Tales, something to do with one of the elder elves. Brain fade.<br><br>Sadly, per yoyo52's comment, there's no way to recapture that first reading.<br><br>Having finished rereading Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and the Pearl I've started rereading The Book of Lost Tales, two books actually. I've always like them because they contain some of the Professor's earliest writing as well as some of his last.<br><br>I believe he wrote the first tale (as found in vol. 1) about age 19 or 20, just before leaving for the Battle of the Somme.<br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>The box said "Requires Microsoft Windows or better" so I bought a Macintosh.
Am starting to reread The Lost Tales, Vol. 1.<br><br>It's amazing to read some things written by the Poet when he was 20, about 30 years before the finishing of LOTR. Some of the Tales could quite easily be tucked into The Hobbit or LOTR.<br><br>Or more accurately they fit into The Silmarillion which of course is where Christopher Tolkien placed many similar pieces.<br><br>Many of the Tales do not have the "right" place name, names for the Noldor, etc., but there's no mistaking what is being read. Christopher simply wasn't able to fit the tales in the two volumes and the stories in The Unfinished Tales into The Silmarillion for one reason or another.<br><br>Great fun. <br><br><br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>The box said "Requires Microsoft Windows or better" so I bought a Macintosh.
hrmm<br>the damn thing has not yet arrived in my corner of Fangorn... so I am still hanging out.. er standing around I could swim to New Zealand faster than it is taking to get here from Sydney<br><br>
I know Ents are a mighty patient folk, and I'm sure you're no exception--but this is really an outrage worthy of Saruman <br><br>edit: spelling (what else!)<br><br>And that's true too.--Shakespeare, King Lear<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yoyo52 on 01/17/02 00:56 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
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yeah hroom......<br>Why Harry Potter only just arrived in downtown Fangorn.<br>How he managed that while he was already on his honeymoon, with the highly estimable ex miz Rowlings I am still perplexed.<br>So its anyone's guess just how long it will take the damn thing (LOTR) to arrive in the shire.<br>Where's Strider when you need him?<br><br>
#3114 - 01/20/0203:56 AMRe: Lord of the Rings
Alas you rural aussies never get a break. Suggest you save money and not attend the festivities of Mrs. Potter's son so that you can see Gandalf when (if) it finally makes appearance.<br><br>Was reading on a Tolkien forum a message left by a Czech college student. He's seen LOTR about six times in Prague. <br><br>Thot that might brighten your day. <br><br>The edit: Almost screwed up and had "kiwis" in place of aussies." Whew. <br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>The box said "Requires Microsoft Windows or better" so I bought a Macintosh.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by 128K_Mac on 01/19/02 11:00 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
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