OS Xer,<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>At work, we just upgraded to XP Pro because they didn't want to risk the database of what we have. So 3 years after the release of XP Pro, we finally get it. I guess we'll get Vista in 2010 or 2011.<p><hr></blockquote><p>yeah at CDC we're just now getting Win XP which came out in 2001... I don't know if it's the XP Pro or not...<br>Don't you just love the Fisher-Price decor? <br><br>makes me feel so much younger...<br><br>they waited all this time becasue of all the headaches they went through with Win 2000 5 years ago. What kills me is you speak of OS X and they poo-poo it, but look what they put themselves through to support a Windows ONLY LAN. <br><br>And the other headache we have here is when you call they write a ticket (for Every little thing- every problem is a separate ticket even if they're related)... the techs are pressured to resolve issues quickly, but they focus so much on "closing the ticket", they usually do NOT fix the problem the first time or do a piss poor job doing it- it "breaks" again. The "call back:" rate must be huge.<br><br>Your govt $ at work folks. ... wasteful.<br><br>David (OFI)

Well, actually my computer is still running Windows 2000! I think they ran out of licenses to put it on more machines.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>the amount of anti-Microsoft rhetoric on the Mac sites is deafening. That shows that we're more concerned with Vista as a threat of some sort to OS X than we ever were about XP.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I certainly can't speak for all Mac users, but I suspect that statement is crap. The whole idea of Apple being a small, cuddly company is long, long gone. They are a multi-billion dollar corporation with tremendous market influence and a household name. I'm a huge fan, but I think I spend more time bitching about their few shady business practices than defending them now. I am not the least bit worried (or even interested) about what Vista might "do" to OSX. The mere idea that Apple, the corporation, would be significantly affected by MS putting out a (supposedly) solid update to their OS is just no longer a concern.<br> <br>No, I think the reason Apple fans enjoy pointing out the misgivings of Microsoft products is because they are such easy targets. Even if Vista does turn out to be great, MS has such a bad reputation for buggy, confusing bloatware. Look at this great little blurb from The Reg about just trying to figure out what to install*. And that isn't something unique to Vista, or even Windows in general, its par for the course with MS.<br><br><br>* Microsoft's Vista Update advisor software lists Microsoft Messenger as a potential third party conflict with Vista. You see? That stuff is priceless.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Microsoft's Vista Update advisor software lists Microsoft Messenger as a potential third party conflict with Vista. You see? That stuff is priceless. <p><hr></blockquote><p>THAT begs the question is the Zune compatible with VISTA ??<br><br>VISTA- Very Inadequate System To Adopt. ?? mmmm<br><br><br><br><br>David (OFI)

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I guess you missed this part in my post:<br>So you could take that copy of any OS X release and install it on all of your macs, no matter what they were running (Tiger may have been different, you had to get a CD if you didn't have a DVD player and it may have required a little more in the hardware).<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yes, I misread that. With Windows you need to buy a copy for each computer and those with more than one PC will pay more than a Mac user with multiple Macs. Of course, those with a single computer will see no difference. And again, that cost only applies to the move from XP to Vista, a single hit. But you're right, it's still a cost.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But if you want everything in Vista that you would get for OSX out of the box, that's another $152 for a total of $567.<p><hr></blockquote><p>It would appear that MS allows the customer to decide whether or not they need the bells and whistles and if not, to pay a lower price. That seems to be a better model than Apple's forcing you to pay for it whether you need the bells and whistles or not. But I suspect you'll disagree and you're entitled to your opinion.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>OSX only comes in 2 flavors: OSX client and Server.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Which you believe is an advantage, but others may see that as inflexible.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>$567 for 2 flaky OS's is not worth $645<p><hr></blockquote><p>Up until this point, I think you presented your arguments well, but the bit I bolded is simply rhetoric. I have seen no flakiness in XP and as Vista has yet to be used by either of us, we'll have to see if it's anything but stable. So far the magazine reviews suggest it's at least as solid as Tiger. We'll have to wait before we can judge the "flakiness" issue in Vista, but XP certainly doesn't qualify in my experience.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>3 years after the release of XP Pro, we finally get it. I guess we'll get Vista in 2010 or 2011.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Probably prudent. We're only now implementing Tiger on the studio Macs at work so I'd applaud a certain caution before rolling out any new OS variant in mission critical machines. Home computers are another story though.<br><br>But getting back to my original point, Windows, as your own figures show, is price competitive with OS X.<br><br>

Apple has their family pack for $199, good for 5 computers.<br><br>MS has buy one get two for $50 each. It will let buyers of Vista Ultimate ($399) get $50 copies of Home Premium for two other PCs. What a deal.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I certainly can't speak for all Mac users, but I suspect that statement is crap.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And I suspect that it's not.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>No, I think the reason Apple fans enjoy pointing out the misgivings of Microsoft products is because they are such easy targets.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Which does not begin to explain why the MS bashing on the Apple boards has reached such a crescendo, since they have always been "such easy targets". That increase in noise has coincided with the nearness of Vista's release, and it's quite feasible that there's a concern that it's too darn close to Leopard for comfort in its features. You're welcome to poo-poo that conclusion but the observation is indisputable. If you doubt me, look for yourself.<br><br>Leopard will be the jewel in Apple's crown, so it had better be as fabulous as SJ claims it is.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>there's a concern that it's too darn close to Leopard for comfort in its features. You're welcome to poo-poo that conclusion but the observation is indisputable.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Indisputable? What? Are you just messing with me now, bovine? <br><br>This thread is just inconceivable!<br><br>

If you feel I've misled you, do as I suggested. Look around. Last time I looked at MacCentral's general discussion forum, for example, virtually all the threads in the last day were MS bashing. I doubt the bashing is unusual, but I'm certain that the amount is. Similar story elsewhere. <br><br>So yes. I don't believe you can dispute the elevated level of anti-MS noise. But you're welcome to try.<br><br>Hey, I wouldn't mess with you Trog. Are we not both Mac using MM denizens? <br><br>

Why so much attention to MS at this point? For the same reason that when there's an election impending there's so much attention to political issues. The company is in the news. Their fearless leader appeared on the Daily Show tonight, for goodness sake! Assertions about the new OS, comparisons between it and other OSs, etc., etc. are everywhere, not just on the Macosphere. As for Mac users' obssession with MS--ever been to a PeeCee forum? Heck, since you mention MC, you don't even have to go to a PeeCee forum to observe their obssession with Macs. That's what Akula over at MC is all about.<br><br>