<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Last time I looked at MacCentral's general discussion forum, for example, virtually all the threads in the last day were MS bashing.<p><hr></blockquote><p>A bit of an exaggeration. If you remove the discussions which exist just to get a rise out of Akula's predictable gobbling up of the "Vista sucks" bait there would be barely any venting at all about Vista.<br><br>Those threads should be labeled, "For entertainment purposes only." And they are that.<br><br>As for bashing of Vista. Vista deserves to be bashed and deserves to be called on the blatant copying from OS X. When Bill Gates says, "we innovated a lot! We have parental controls on web surfing for example!" he should have it pointed out that Mac OS X has had that feature for years. Pretty much what can be said about all of Vista's features.<br><br>I had a very smart person in my office yesterday. We were discussing all sorts of stuff and then he said he was thinking of buying a Mac for home but needed to run Windows for a certain program his company sells. In a moment I showed him the software his company makes running in Parallels. Worked fine.<br><br>Then I said, "but the biggest reason to switch to a Mac is no viruses. Not a one. No computer bugs out there at all to worry about. He was shocked. He did not know that Mac OS X had zero virus problems.<br><br>If this guy didn't know that one simple fact we need to poke a lot more fun at Windows software. The first virus that poops on the translucent glass will make me laugh. It will be a sad laugh but I will be laughing.<br><br><br><br><br><br>

I hope that was "tongue in cheek". I didn't see a winkie.<br><br><br>For anyone else:<br>That's 3 copies for $500 ! <br>and 2 of those are pared down versions.<br><br>In contrast, Apple gives you 5 FULL copies for $300 LESS.<br><br>Lastly VISTA is M$ best and latest and may equal OS X 10.4 !<br>We'll see. <br><br>....so $500 for "older (stolen) technology"... mmmm...<br>seems M$ gets the good deal , NOT the user.<br>but... it may be better than their last deal. <br><br>David (OFI)<br><br>PS. Will someone pass those VISTA adopters a jar of vaseline?

Yeah, "what a deal" was sarcastic. Forgot to show my winkie. <br><br>

Hi Yoyo52.<br><br>Thanks for the response. I agree that Vista's release has the world's attention right now, but that doesn't explain the negative obsession with MS that the Mac forums are demonstrating. For an OS that's supposed to be so inferior to OS X, it sure gets a lot of attention from our community. Methinks we doth protest too much.<br><br>Have I ever been to a PC forum? As a PC user, most certainly. Have I ever seen "their obssession with Macs"? Frankly, no. In my experience, Macs are rarely mentioned, because they are irrelevant to the sort of topics the PC users post about.<br><br>I do see anti-Mac on 'neutral' boards such as ZDnet etc, but I also see as much, or more anti-MS from the Mac fanboys. But from dedicated PC sites? Nope. You'll have to give an example.<br><br>I saw Akula getting what seems to be an endless torrent of flame in several threads, so I must say he has a thick hide. Given the hammering he was taking, I don't know why he bothers, but it takes all kinds I guess. <br><br>But one PC zealot in a Mac forum defending MS hardly balances the anti-MS hate-fest that seems to be a significant part of their daily fare.<br><br>It makes me ponder as to whether Bill Gates sexually abused some of the posters there when they were kids, judging by the hatred that's evident. Somebody called ichimg is a standout example. Man, what a weirdo.<br><br>However, getting back to the point, what's wrong with "Assertions about the new OS, comparisons between it and other OSs"? Seems to me that it's a healthy thing to compare products in the media. It's just strange to me that on the Mac forums we're so intent on bagging MS - insecurity is my guess. <br><br>But I accept that you choose to believe differently, and I respectfully disagree with your view.<br><br>Thanks for expressing it though. <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>A bit of an exaggeration. If you remove the discussions which exist just to get a rise out of Akula's predictable gobbling up of the "Vista sucks" bait there would be barely any venting at all about Vista.<p><hr></blockquote><p>A bit of an exaggeration you say? On the day I mentioned, there were practically no new posts that weren't slagging off Microsoft in some way. I had the new threads set to "active in the last day" and it was a slag-fest aimed squarely at MS.<br>So if it was an exaggeration, it was a very slight exaggeration.<br><br>But without going through the tedium of revisiting the MacCentral forums and looking through each post by date, you'll never have proof either way. So I copied the MS-related threads that have been active in the last week and compare them to the total.*<br><br>That's 34 of a total of 68 threads in the last week. That comparison doesn't begin to take into account that those 34 threads were made up of significantly more posts than those that didn't negatively focus on Microsoft, so although half of MacCentral's threads were obsessing about MS, the actual percentage of posts was even higher.<br><br>Let me summarize:<br>The majority of traffic on MacCentral's general discussion forum over the past week has been about Microsoft in some way or other. You apparently believe that because they involve the poster Akula a good deal of the time, then in some way that proves that Mac users are not obsessed with MS at all. If you truly believe that, then I can only shrug and shake my head at the magnitude of your self deception.<br><br>But you know what? I think you're grasping at that explanation because you want it to be true, not because you really do believe it.<br><br>Here's a funny thing; I don't need to sip from the chalice of the Cult of Apple (which has succeeded the Cult of Mac for obvious reasons) in order to enjoy the platform and to appreciate its advantages. And there are many.<br><br>But the rhetoric that's hurled about as fact in our community is as misguided as anything I've heard quoted from the MS camp. Apple is just as guilty of hype as MS and I note with some sense of irony that we give SJ a major leave pass and a nudge and wink when he's doing it but we muster up a righteous outrage when the competition play the same game. <br><br>Can you spell "hypocrisy"? <br><br>But I've argued this point as far as I feel comfortable. My impression is that not toeing the platform line is damaging what little standing that I have here so I'll call it quits at this point. If any other comments are forthcoming, I'll naturally be interested in reading them, but I think I've made my argument as eloquently as I'm able. Anything further will be repetition.<br><br>Cheers.<br><br><br><br>*The following is a list of MS related threads at the MacCentral general discussion forums over the last week.<br><br>*cha-ching [wow inside] ichi.cMg 65 2 (2) 01/31/07 07:48 PM<br>*captain she cant take much more! ichi.cMg 119 7 (7) 01/31/07 09:29 PM<br>*Gates grilled by NPR. kagharaht 71 3 (3) 01/31/07 08:10 PM<br>*I love this quote Akula 451 54 (54) 02/01/07 03:04 AM<br>*SF Vista madness... ichi.cMg 151 6 (6) 01/31/07 07:18 PM<br>*Was this in the XP EULA? MikeS 157 10 (10) 01/31/07 05:45 PM<br>*German TV gets Vista Blue Screen!! eckhard 181 11 (11) 01/31/07 12:50 PM<br>*Three compelling reasons to switch kagharaht 111 7 (7) 01/31/07 03:37 PM<br>*So were there long lines for Vista? iBookmaster 126 8 (8) 01/31/07 07:38 PM<br>*The new 'Switcher' Campaign? Mike 79 3 (3) 01/30/07 08:55 PM<br>*CNN's Miles O'Brien on Vista this morning iBookmaster 153 6 (6) 01/30/07 01:22 PM<br>*Windows annoyances ... help? eckhard 58 2 (2) 01/30/07 04:29 PM<br>*So many "Wows" It's overwhelming kagharaht 137 5 (5) 01/30/07 02:46 PM<br>*Vista's pretty but... SteveS 256 16 (9) 01/31/07 02:52 PM<br>.apple larger then mS by 2010 ichi.cMg 28 0 01/29/07 09:44 PM<br>.Gates has Apple on his mind kagharaht 206 13 01/29/07 11:29 PM<br>.Microsoft patents SteveS 117 4 01/29/07 04:12 PM<br>*Tom's Vista review/benchmarks SgtBaxter 187 8 (1) 01/30/07 09:24 AM<br>.They think this is sleek? kagharaht 146 6 01/30/07 12:20 AM<br>.Go to another site after looking at this iBookmaster 107 4 01/29/07 12:23 PM<br>.Speaking of Vista... iBookmaster 342 27 01/29/07 05:27 PM<br>.I'm just not that excited about Leopard Alucard 567 56 01/29/07 11:44 AM<br>.Like I said, how many Vistas iBookmaster 182 14 01/28/07 02:57 PM<br>.akula the MS astroturfer answers the call! *DELETED* ichi.cMg 326 21 01/29/07 08:57 PM<br>.Time looks ta VISTA DLC 284 21 01/29/07 12:01 PM<br>..Nyet dev buying ADC membership... ichi.cMg 81 1 01/27/07 05:23 PM<br>.Akula ...now is your chance!!!! zweigand 176 3 01/26/07 01:58 PM<br>.Lawsuit embarassment SteveS 174 5 01/27/07 09:03 PM<br>.How many Vista choices can you count? iBookmaster 102 2 01/26/07 08:28 PM<br>.MS Photo Info Tool NucleusG4 92 2 01/26/07 02:04 PM<br>.Bad news for MS. baobaog3 134 4 01/26/07 10:44 AM<br>.I am BAD news for PCs... DLC 272 10 01/26/07 08:32 PM<br>.I'm back! Need more help than ever docholiday 366 19 01/25/07 12:48 PM<br>.Lol... more "Mac Tablet" news! droogie 200 11 01/25/07 01:52 PM<br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Can you spell "hypocrisy"? <p><hr></blockquote><p> I am a hypocrite? A hypocrite says one thing and does another. I think slagging Vista at a Macintosh web site is wholesome fun. It's what you are supposed to do when Microsoft comes out with a new operating system a few years late and a dollar short.<br><br>Complaining about the slagging isn't hypocrisy either. It's just weird.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I am a hypocrite? <p><hr></blockquote><p>I don't know. Are you?<br><br>I was referring to the Mac community, as is evident in my post, not specifically aiming that at you. I think that accepting a certain standard of behavior from one entity while decrying that same behavior from another is indeed hypocrisy. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Complaining about the slagging isn't hypocrisy either. It's just weird.<p><hr></blockquote><p>But not as weird as self-delusion, I think. But if expressing a view that runs counter to the vox populi is "weird", then mea culpa. <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I think that accepting a certain standard of behavior from one entity while decrying that same behavior from another is indeed hypocrisy. <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Oh please....MS claims that this new OS is the most secure. Didn't they say that about XP? <br><br>At least what Apple comes out with is definately more secure and easier to use than anything out by MS so far. <br><br>I can't recall the last time Apple presented an update to OSX that it was something windows already had. (I'm not saying it didn't...but I don't know. I am sure someone will point out that MS had something before Apple did.) Look at what Vista is coming out with and tell me that OSX doesn't already have it, or is coming out with in 10.5<br><br>The reason you see all this MS bashing is because it's laughable that people actually pay for something from MS. Look at the Zune. What a crock of zune that thing is. MS can't seem to come up with anything on their own. Examples: XBox, Zune, and the majority of what Vista has.<br><br>You want to see head to head OS vs OS forum? Try The Battlefront at ARS and their mac achaia is pretty on topic too. <br><br>And as far as Akula, man that guy can't hold up his own it seems.<br><br>

Well, the same problem obtains in any situation where there is a dominant thing, whether that be an OS or a racial group. The first time I went to NY City I went with a black friend from HS, and we stayed with his uncle in Harlem. I did the whole Harlem thing, and the second afternoon we went to the Apollo theater, which at the time was one of those wonderful full-day entertainment venues, beginning with a cartoon, followed by a B movie and then an A movie, going on to a series of comics, and ending with a musical show (that night it was Peaches and Herb, if you remember them). Anyway, the comedy routines were to me a revelation: almost all the jokes were "white jokes" (which at first made me very self-conscious). So why were the comedians obssessing, to use your term, with whites? Isn't the answer self-evident? And isn't the same answer self-evident in connection to an OS that asserts it dominates 95% of computers?<br><br>

You know, if this thread gets old you could always go visit some of the major league baseball teams' forums and talk about how unfair the Yankee bashing is. I hear the Red Sox fans are especially unfair to the poor pinstripes. Just like MS, the Yanks are really in need of some of your TLC too! <br><br>