Hello,<br>I am confused about buying additional ram. I have a b&w g3, 450mhz with two 128 mb sticks running os 8.6. I bought this in July 99. I would like to add another 256 mb of ram. The Apple store sells two sticks for 200.00 but the local "authorized Apple dealer" sells them for 40.00 each. He said he has pc-133 sticks that are 128 mb each and that they will run fine on my computer, but the apple knowledge base as well as the apple manual says to use pc-100 mhz ram for my g3. What do I do ? I don't want to screw up my machine since I just replaced a corrupted HD. Also, can I install one stick of 256 mb while still keeping the two 128 mb sticks ? Also the computer manual says I can add a second internal HD ATA and I would like to do that and install os X on that so I can get use to it while still keeping my familiar os8.6 as master or slave. Will this work ok ? <br>Thanks. <br>willowtree<br><br><br>
Apple's prices for RAM are ridiculously high. The PC 133 should run fine on the B&W, but ifyou're in doubt, you can go over to dealram.com and get both the very best deal possible as well as RAM that's on spec for your computer. I just bought a 256 MB chip from OWC, which I found through dealram, for something like 25 bucks.<br><br>And that's true too.--Shakespeare, King Lear
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yoyo52's comment is a good one.<br><br>I'd add that by buying PC 133 chips you may be better prepared for your next Mac if it has a 133MHz bus instead of the 100MHz bus like your present Mac.<br><br>PC 133 will work just as well as PC 100. If you're considering OS X you might want to buy 512MB Dimms. OS X likes RAM. The more the better. I'd try to wind up with a minimum of 512MB.<br><br>If memory serves me correctly you have four memory slots. Since 2 are occupied now, you simply buy another one or two sticks for the others. Because of OS X, as well as the current low price, I'd buy a 512MB dimm, bring you up to 768MB.<br><br>BTW, it makes no difference if the Dimm is 2-2-2 or 3-2-2. Theoretically the former is faster. In practice there's no difference.<br><br>An internal ATA/IDE drive is the way to do. Your G3 is presumbably a B&W Tower since you don't mention an upgrade card getting you to 450MHz. You can add one ATA/IDE drive and buy nothing else. You also can install 2 (3?) SCSI drives, but that will also cost you the price of a SCSI PCI card.<br><br>Try OWC (Other World Computing), Buy.com, and MacGurus for drives. You'll get best service at MacGurus, but the others are OK. OWC and Buy.com especially have "specials" from time to time.<br><br>Buy a 30 or 40GB, minimum, that's about the smallest size they sell anymore. Cost should be in the $100.-$130. neighborhood. A do it yourself install is fairly easy and straightforward. Most ATA/IDE drives come with the instructions printed on them.<br><br>Unlike setting SCSI I.D. on internal drives, setting the Slave or Master is simple with ATA/IDE drives. Insist that you get an instruction sheet with the drive you buy. The replacement drive you've already bought, if smaller, can probably be switched to Slave and the new internal drive made the Master. <br><br>Which is which, however, is not an issue. My Slave is my startup drive ATA/IDE for OS X, my Master is my OS9/Classic drive. I do advocate putting OS X and OS9/Classic on seperate partitions or drives. Your present drive will be set to Master. Most new drives are set to Master by default, so you will need to switch the new second drive to Slave. On the back of the drive there's a simple setting, usually explained or illustrated, how to do this.<br><br>The IBM DeskStar 75GXP model is popular. Apple often uses an OEM of this drive in new Macs. Apple also uses Maxtor drives in the lower end Macs. The DeskStar 75GXP is 7200RPM. Cheaper drives will be 5400RPM and you'll appreciate the faster speed of 7200.<br><br>You can link to a number of the memory and hard drive dealers from SiteLink:<br><br>http://www.sitelink.net<br><br>You can learn more than you'll ever need to know about memory and hard drives at Accelerate Your Mac:<br><br>http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/<br><br>or Bare Feats:<br><br>http://www.barefeats.com/<br><br>if you're especially ambitious.<br><br>Buy yourself the following for Christmas:<br><br>1. 512MB PC 100 or 133 2-2-2 or 3-2-2 SDRAM<br>2. 30GB or larger IBM ATA DeskStar 75<br>3. OS X 10.1.1<br><br>You'll be happy with all 3. <br><br>(PS: apple/support.com even has QT movies showing you how to install RAM and ATA drives. Unfortunately I don't think they have them for G3 Towers, just G4, but they're very similar and the principals are the same. I've searched everything I can find and don't have a link. I have six or eight of them that I email to friends. They can be very helpful if you've never added a drive or memory before. If I run across link I'll post here.)<br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>"The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better' so I bought a Macintosh." - Anonymous<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by 128K_Mac on 12/10/01 01:14 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Had no luck finding the QT movies. <br><br>Did find Article ID: 31292 in the Apple Knowledge base. Just logon to apple/support and search for it by number.<br><br>It's for a G4 tower and the views will be different but the detailed instructions (from some G4 Tower model) will be basically the same. Installation of a second drive can even be done by non-mechanical klutzes like me so you should have no problems. <br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>"The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better' so I bought a Macintosh." - Anonymous
Thanks for the info. I will upgrade to one stick of 512mb and try the 133s. I will look into the IBM. I had been looking at Seagate, Maxtor and Western Digital. I might wait till after the holidays to get the HD and os X. I am wondering if os X will come out with the new version 10.1.2 by then. <br><br>
I bought nothing but Seagates (SCSI) for years, but they tend to be more expensive than IBM when you're looking at ATA. They have a new feature relating to ball bearings that make them much quieter, however, and I'm anxious to try my first one. And in addition to quiet, I believe they're supposed to last longer.<br><br>MacGurus and TransIntl are probably the largest Seagate dealers on the net. There's lots of info on the Seagate site, MacGurus, and Accelerate Your Mac about the new Seagates. Everyone whose opinion I trust that has one has been very high on them. (Should have mentioned this earlier. I probably should have listed them as a preference for my next buy.)<br><br>Word on the street is that 10.1.2 should be available before MacExpo, with 10.2 delayed a little bit after Expo. Ted Landau of MacFixIt doesn't publish rumors. If he says "any day now" that's better than the Mac rumor mill.<br><br>Good luck. You'll like 10.1.1 or later on your G3/450 B&W Tower. And it's only going to get better both from a functional and speed standpoint. My recommendation is to make the switch at your convenience when you have the time to learn and get well acquainted with the new OS.<br><br><br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>"The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better' so I bought a Macintosh." - Anonymous
Am certain Pat Gmac is correct about the fact that 512MB Dimms won't work.<br><br>The B&W G3 Tower was available in roughly the first half of 1999. 512MB Dimms likely weren't even widely available at that time, if at all. My notes indicate a 256MB Dimm cost ~$350. at that time.<br><br>I have some notes on my former B&W G3 450 which I should have consulted as they indicate that Apple never certified 512MB Dimms for this model.<br><br>Such things happen when one gets carried away with one idea, i.e., buying as much memory as possible for OS X, but loses track of the specific issues at hand.<br><br><br><br>128k_Mac<br><br>"The box said 'Requires Windows XP or better' so I bought a Macintosh." - Anonymous
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