No sh!t. That business about the patriot missles did it for me. <br><br>This morning, I was concerned. Now I'm convinced. <br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
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yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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It's an excellent point about those missiles. The folks on Countdown were just as suspicious.<br><br>And you know, when those guys describe the incredible mess that will follow when we leave Iraq (cause at some point we're going to have to leave, and then the mess in Saigon is going to seem tame by contrast), and then they ask, "How can we avoid it," the answer seems to be that we cannot avoid it. And all of it, all the stinking disaster that has and will take place, is squarely at the feet of the administration and its elective war.<br><br>In the past I've said that an impeachment would harm the country too much and that we'd be better off waiting till Jan. of 2009 to get a new president. But I'm beginning to wonder whether we can afford two more years of a nut in office--and not just the presidential nut. All of 'em need to be impeached.<br><br>
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Well, to be redundant ~ No sh!t. As of today, I firmly believe that Bush plans to wage war with Iran. Total insanity. I don't know that an impeachment is as appropriate as a straight jacket.<br><br>And we're not just Voices in the Lunatic Liberal Wilderness anymore. What ~ what will happen when Bush launches war against Iran? I don't think "hearings" and "committees" would be the correct response. I wonder what our Congress folks contemplate this evening, in light of last night's declarations and today's speculations?<br><br>It's not like Condi set anybody's mind at ease this morning . . <br><br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue] Talk about things and nobody cares . . .</font color=blue>
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yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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Well what can a congressional party do other than vote not to fund something? The executive is the only arm of government that can take straightforward action, and at the moment that the action's taken, there's literally no institutional check at all on what the executive can do. Remember that the Saturday Night Massacre back in Watergate days ended up with Bork (think of him as a Supreme Court Justice ) actually doing what Nixon wanted done. The principled courage of Richardson and Ruckelshaus was great, but the executive finally executed Cox. I remember very very clearly how concerned people (me) were that Nixon would just order the army to do something radical, like occupy the houses of Congress--and if he'd ordered that to take place, other than the principled courage of some commander, there would have been no way to prevent it from taking place. Think what awesome power the commander in chief has . . . and tremble because a nut is the one who's wielding it.<br><br>
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garyW
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Bush seems to have made the first move today: ERBIL, Iraq, Jan. 11 — American troops b...matic office...<br><br>Now we wait for Iran or their agents to retaliate against US targets (maybe an embassy in Somalia???), and off we go.<br><br><br><br>
yoyo52 Nothing comes of nothing.
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As so many people today pointed out, the people who lead Iran are not stupid. They're not going to take the bait, at least not directly. But remember that Iran controls Hezbollah--so suppose that suddenly Lebanon blows up again and the region gets destabilized more than it already is?<br><br>
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mojo_jojo
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So you find Iran's supplying terrorists with advanced IED's to kill Americans in Iraq acceptable? <br>Regardless of the reasons as to why we are there, the fact remains that if we leave now or without some semblance of stabilizing Iraq, the humanitarian crisis that will ensue will make Darfur look like a Sunday picnic. <br>Further, the vacuum that will be created in Iraq by a hasty exit will be filled by energized Islamic extremists, aka Iranian backed wackos. They will be a threat to the Saudi's, Egyptions, Jordanians, etc. And in ten years we will be back in there having to deal with an even bigger problem. Until the Iranian influence is checked, and it currently is, problems in the Middle East will continue. The only long term solution is regime change in Iran.<br><br>
) actually doing what Nixon wanted done. The principled courage of Richardson and Ruckelshaus was great, but the executive finally executed Cox. I remember very very clearly how concerned people (me) were that Nixon would just order the army to do something radical, like occupy the houses of Congress--and if he'd ordered that to take place, other than the principled courage of some commander, there would have been no way to prevent it from taking place. Think what awesome power the commander in chief has . . . and tremble because a nut is the one who's wielding it.<br><br>
<br>Regardless of the reasons as to why we are there, the fact remains that if we leave now or without some semblance of stabilizing Iraq, the humanitarian crisis that will ensue will make Darfur look like a Sunday picnic. <br>Further, the vacuum that will be created in Iraq by a hasty exit will be filled by energized Islamic extremists, aka Iranian backed wackos. They will be a threat to the Saudi's, Egyptions, Jordanians, etc. And in ten years we will be back in there having to deal with an even bigger problem. Until the Iranian influence is checked, and it currently is, problems in the Middle East will continue. The only long term solution is regime change in Iran.<br><br>
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