YA' know what scares me?<br><br>Bush's NEW LAWS...that make it possible for <br>"Officers" to just spirit you away to possibly be <br>renditioned as an Enemy Combatant, without Legal <br>Recourse, or Rules of Habeas Corpus. <br><br>In that case, to "Go Quietly" could well mean disappearing<br>without a trace perhaps forever, if you die in custody (Which<br>may begin happening with increasing frequency since to release<br>the people that have been wrongfully detained (for up to 10 years)<br>these people try to bring suit against the Government for the abuses<br>done to their person while in custody)especially if you meet the profile<br>as a non-citizen, especially of Middle Eastern Decent. I refer you again to<br>the LAW ITSELF<br><br>Don't be surprised when more & more people resort to the Rules of Engagement<br>in these situations: DRAW AS MUCH ATTENTION TO BEING TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AS<br>POSSIBLE (so people can bare witness to you being....um.... 'taken away'... and to also<br>bare witness that you didn't fight back ("GO LIMP and Drop to the Ground"). "Going Limp" is <br>a non-violent technique that while construed as "NON-COOPERATION" is NOT "Resisting Arrest"<br><br>As our "Fearless Leader" is so fond of reminding us: Things Have INDEED Changed since "9/11". <br><br><br><br><br><br>

It's enough to make you go limp...<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>

"It's enough to make you go limp..."<br><br>... or at least, lose grip.<br><br>- alec -

"LIMP" INDEED!<br><br>Being Emasculated "By the Man" will do that to you.<br>(But isn't that the whole idea?)<br>Brutality is just that: BRUTAL: the act of a BRUTE. <br><br><br>Before you turn away, thinking it could NEVER apply to you;<br>let me remind you of the very famous (if worn out) statement<br>given a new meaning, ...Since NOW it CAN very well apply to YOU:<br><br><br>Then They Came for Me*<br>* By Stephen F. Rohde, Esq.**<br><br>First they came for the Muslims, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Muslim.<br><br>Then they came to detain immigrants indefinitely solely upon the certification of the Attorney General, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an immigrant. <br><br>Then they came to eavesdrop on suspects consulting with their attorneys, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a suspect.<br><br>Then they came to prosecute non-citizens before secret military commissions, <br>and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a non-citizen.<br><br>Then they came to enter homes and offices for unannounced "sneak and peek" searches, <br>and I didn't speak up because I had nothing to hide.<br><br>Then they came to reinstate Cointelpro and resume the infiltration and surveillance of domestic religious and political groups, <br>and I didn't speak up because I had stopped participating in any groups.<br><br>Then they came for anyone who objected to government policy <br>and I didn't speak up because I didn't pay much attention to government policy.<br><br>Then they came for me. <br>By that time no one was left to speak up.<br><br><br>*Minor revisions by C.Li **Stephen Rohde, a Constitutional Lawyer & President of the ACLU of Southern California, <br>is indebted to the inspiration of Rev. Martin Niemoller (1937). <br><br><br><br>

I went to UCLA. I guess that's not really important but we should be careful not to weave our own stories and overreact. From my readings across the internet a few thoughts arise which should be considered -<br><br>1. I don't feel it's unreasonable for a CSO to request ID on a campus library, considering the time of night it was and potential threats they were trying to address with this policy. If he refuses to leave without providing ID, what else can law enforcement do beside force the guy out?<br><br>2. the taser was set on a low mode ("drive stun") which administers the shock locally. I don't know exactly what that means, but I think the important thing (along John's insight) is it was the least-aggressive option they had.<br><br>3. the guy who got tasered seemed to be picking a fight. i don't believe he was incapacitated and he actually did refuse to get up and leave. what else were the cops supposed to do?<br><br>I'm not saying all the other brutality incidents are overplayed. I'm only talking about this one.<br><br>--<br>http://www.jackthevain.com/

Humm<br>This article does not seem to allow a copy and paste ?<br><br>Anyway read the section on "unlawful combatants" which the terrorist and insurgents fit in this category . There seems to be no mention on how to deal with this legally so therefore they were treated as "POWs" which in this case there is no trial for POWs , simply if you have a gun in your hand and are shooting back , you are a combatant .<br><br>The complexity that they "terrorist / insurgent" are NOT a lawful entity adds to their delay for a fair trail by military court .<br><br>IMO<br><br>

You missed the point: They can declare anyone they choose to be an "unlawful combatant." If "they" don't like your religion, politics, or looks, they could, under this "law," declare you an unlawful combatant.<br><br>

<br>BINGO!<br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If he refuses to leave without providing ID, what else can law enforcement do beside force the guy out?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Where did you hear he was refusing to leave? He was, in fact, walking out when they grabbed him by the arm. There was no need to grab him by the arm and when he let them know that... they tased him.<br><br>Once you've been tased, you can't stand up under your own power... which is exactly what they kept demanding he do. Tasing him repeatedly making it even more impossible for him to comply with their "stand up" order.<br><br>At one point in the clip I saw, they said "stand up... that's all you have to do" which was asking him to do the impossible!<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Seemed to be picking a fight<p><hr></blockquote><p>I heard him begging them to stop and screaming from the pain. <br><br>

<br>Why give you one sentence<br>when I can give you 4 full page articles<br>with four different perspectives, ranging from <br>Harvard Law School, ACLU to the WH Release & PDF itself? <br><br>