Am I "Projecting" here?<br><br>...or will this scene become common place for the rest of us<br>when we're unable to produce "OUR PAPERS (please)" on Demand?<br><br>...and to "Good Samaritans" that attempt to come to our aid<br>by asking for a badge number, or caught taking pictures for evidence?<br><br>...while the majority of onlookers stand idly by mumbling;<br>"the guy MUST have deserved it, or 'THEY' wouldn't be doing that to him."<br><br>I doano... kinda' scary... or is it just my old "Tricky Dicky"<br>daze of "Abuse of Power" in the East Village creeping back to haunt me?<br><br><br>Holy Spit<br>I'm starting to sound like The Great Divide!<br><br><br><br>
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I agree with Carp.<br><br>First, unless you were there the whole time, nobody knows what started it. I would like to hear from a student that was next to this guy.<br><br>As a former police officer, I'll give a viewpoint from the other side. Not saying what these guys did was right, but just some perspective.<br><br>First about the taser. Had they not had the taser (not justifying the use of it here, just some info) then they would have 3 alternatives: nightstick, weapon, or pressure techniques. Weapon obviously not. Nightstick...chances of seriously hurting someone more is higher.<br><br>Pressure techniques like wrist locks, etc that are only painful if someone resists. Obviously this guy was resisting.<br><br>Resisting arrest is illegal...passive or aggressive resisting. I don't know about the laws in California, but in most states if an officer gives you a lawful direction ("you can't stop here, you need to move your vehicle", "you need to exit the building" etc) it is your duty to comply. Failure to do so may result in your arrest.<br><br>If an officer were to come in my house to question me and decides to arrest me for whatever reason, it is my duty to comply and go with him. Resisting is still resisting, whether the officer was right or wrong. That is what the legal system is supposed to be there for...so that if it was a wrongful arrest, you can sue the city/officer.<br><br>Why didn't this student just get up and go? Why give them such a hard time? Why were the officers there in the first place? Were they called or did they just show up?<br><br>Lots of questions that nobody here really knows. But I'm going to reserve judgement on either side. But my personal opinion is that yes, it does look bad to be using a Taser. Hope they didn't screw up and let their emotions get the best of them. (yes, they ARE human and prone to mistakes. People tend to forget that part.)<br><br><br><br>From wikipedia:<br>Resisting arrest is a term used in the United States (and possibly elsewhere) to describe a criminal charge against an individual who has committed at least any one of the following acts:<br>Eluding a police officer who is attempting to arrest the individual<br>Using or threatening to use force against an officer during an arrest<br>Providing an officer with false identification (either verbally or by presentation of a false official document, i.e. a fake ID)<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>From here<br>Resisting arrest<br>iResisting an arrest is a misdemeanor. It is also a misdemeanor to interfere with an officer while he is engaged in official duties. Resisting arrest typically comes in the form of an arrestee physically struggling with an officer as he tries to place on handcuffs, or when the arrestee struggles as he is being placed in a patrol car or jail cell.<br>Interfering with the duties of an officer typically occurs when a person attempts to physically restrain an officer to prevent the arrest of another, or when a person is verbally abusive or taunting an officer as he is engaged in his duties.<br><br>Defense to resisting arrest<br>A common defense to resisting arrest is that the officer acted with excessive force. While an arrestee is expected to comply with an officer's reasonable actions to affect an arrest, the arrestee is allowed to defend himself from unreasonable, excessive force used by the officer.<p><hr></blockquote><p>
resisting arrest assumes he was being arrested. he was just being asked to leave. they didn't place him under arrest until later after he'd been tasered. i am sure the defense will have an easy argument that he couldn't comply because he had been tasered. the research will reveal that he possibly couldn't stand up for 5 - 15 minutes even though the cops (or security guards) will telling him to get up. my guess is that the 50 witnesses will not corroborate the police version. in fact, many of the witnesses were threatened with force (e.g., being tasered) just because they asked the cop(s) for their badge number. a dopey jerk of a student may have started it, but the cops escalated this far beyond what it should have been. i just read that the student hired a high profile lawyer and is suing the cops. i guess we'll learn more some day.<br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 11/17/06 08:19 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
To make matters more interesting, turns out the kid is a Muslim.<br><br>edit: Here is the account in the UCLA newspaper. A snippet: [color:blue]the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well. <br><br>The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times. <br><br>It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition. </font color=blue><br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by yoyo52 on 11/17/06 08:01 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
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doh, i am still in mourning.<br><br>fortunately (or unfortunately) we get to play #1 florida in just over a week and beating them would erase the bad taste in my mouth. but, if we play like we did against ORU then we'll lose 150 - 7. <br><br>--<br>"I am mindful that diversity is one of the strengths of the country" --president bush on 9/27/05
The most astonishing thing is that no one put a chair or two over the heads of those dicks! Must be a university full of pussies. Legalities be damned; I would have risked jail time to hand out a little vigilante justice to those uniformed thugs!<br><br>- alec -
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>Tasers at educational grounds?<br>Ah, I can just see the ripple effect.. <p><hr></blockquote><p>B.F. Skinner showed this be be an effective technique.<br><br>"OK, everyone who received a D or F please proceed to the tasering hall. And please make sure you show your student ID tattoo so you are in the right line for the correct voltage. Freddie, you too, I have a note from the librarian you have I'm OK, You're OK overdue three weeks. That's goin' to leave a mark."<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
If I remember my college days, just having to hand in work at all was considered equivalent to a tasering...<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>
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