For what it's worth, there's more than one kind of causality - the type you're describing is an example of linear causality, which is a very western-mindset kind of causality in which an agent acts on an object to bring about an effect. A different model (the one you'll find in buddhism, for example) has been described as mutual cuasality, and makes more sense to me. This is the one where everything is affecting (and affected by) what's around it, and si is changing (and changed) all the time - and in which you can't say This causes That - not all causes can be known, it's more a case of things coming into existence in dependence on a collection of conditions without which they couldn't arise, but which don't determine that they HAVE to arise. I can recommend Joanna Macey's book Mutual Causality in Buddhism and General Systems Theory for a good read on the subject - she talks in terms not of agents and effects but of qualities interacting (since if everything's being changed all the time, the only thing that makes a thing a Thing is continuity of qualities that make it that Thing... until it dies or wears out or whatever). Crikey, that last sentence came out a bit weird, but one of it's arising conditions was lack of sleep...<br><br>In any case, all the above examples (seeds, galaxies) are not loops, they're spirals, since the seed doesn't cause the tree that made it, and so on.<br><br>- padmavyuha<br><br>[color:purple]A lopsided man runs best along the little side-hills of success<br>- Frank Moore Colby</font color=purple>
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You're correct, linear causality was my line of thought, which I can consider to be an atom in the universe of cause and effect.. But still, your example of mutual causality is more comprehensive..<br><br>Thanks for the book recommendation, is any knowledge of Buddhism required to fully understand the theory?<br><br>www.waleedsgallery.biz<br><P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by walzuhair on 10/30/06 09:32 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
There have been quantum mechanical experiments that have show effects occuring "before" causes. And then there's that great Nietzschean deconstruction of causality that suggests causality is really a psychological/temporal inversion of experience (we feel pain, then look for the cause of pain, and find a pin, to which we attribute causality: the real chain of events is that he pain causes the pin, as it were )<br><br>____________________________________________________<br>Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,<br>But to be young was very heaven!
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I have a question about Buddhism, if you or those who know can answer please.. 15 years ago, I worked at a hospital with a couple from Thailand. They both wear something like a tied thread on their wrist, and they considered that to be a symbol of Buddha. I still don't understand that.. I don't know if it is considered a type of manifestations, I was too afraid to offend them if I asked, since I was (and still) ignorant in Buddhism.<br><br>Can anybody please explain that tied thread on the wrist?<br><br>www.waleedsgallery.biz<br>
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