<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You can post all the chemistry 101 you can find. It still doesn't change either side of the original argument in this thread. The issue comes down to caution vs. bravado (U.S. of Girly Men makes your position pretty clear). And somewhere along the line, "caution" has been equated to "fear". Can we cram enough hyperbole into this thread?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I'm sorry your post wasn't vetted by myself. I'm going to have to ask you to<br>shut the f[/i]uck up. <br><br>link<br><br><br>[i][color:red]Allez Cuisine! Bang a gong, it is on</font color=red>

You're right. I forgot to get your sign-off. My bad again.<br><br>See? Now you don't have to answer my question! <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Say you've had a run-in with someone in the past and they threatened you. You go out to your car one morning and there on the ground under the engine are some wire clippings and a few pieces of duck tape. That could have blown in from anywhere. It's just trash. But are you just gonna jump in and start 'er up, or are you gonna take a closer look before you put the key in the ignition?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>No, Nor do you go to their house and shoot their wife, children & dog just in case they ever decide at some future date to carry out the threat. <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>See? Now you don't have to answer my question!<p><hr></blockquote><p>I thought I answered your question "Can we cram enough hyperbole in<br>this thread?"<br><br>Ah, but you mean this question - <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Say you've had a run-in with someone in the past and they threatened you. You go out to your car one morning and there on the ground under the engine are some wire clippings and a few pieces of duck tape. That could have blown in from anywhere. It's just trash. But are you just gonna jump in and start 'er up, or are you gonna take a closer look before you put the key in the ignition?<p><hr></blockquote><p>I would probably jump in the car and start it up. <br><br>Feel free to add more information to the hypothetical question (such as the<br>person who threatened you was a known car bomber, yada yada) until I answer<br>differently.<br><br>If I thought it was a car bomb I would probably dial 911 and not take a closer<br>look before I put the key in the ignition.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>We're talking about being vigilant and careful. Why is that so <br>objectionable?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Are we? I thought we were talking about water bottles closing down an<br>airport because bleach was detected by a dog and a test kit. There was no<br>explosives to begin with. SgtBaxter wants to imply that there was, and there<br>is a 99% failure rate in detection of explosives (I have no idea where he got<br>the failure rate) and we should be cautious.<br><br>I would agree with SgtBaxter if it was about explosives - let's say someone walked<br>in an airport terminal with what looked like sticks of TNT strapped to their<br>body. But this wasn't the case - it was a water bottle.<br><br>[color:red]Allez Cuisine! Bang a gong, it is on</font color=red>

*sigh* Okey-dokey. We now return you to Sphincter Sphactor. already in progress.<br><br>Over & out...<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Bleach isn't an explosive.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No, it's an oxidizer. Hence the reason an explosives dog will flag it.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Heck, I could smell amonia if a water bottle was filled with it.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Now you're completely full of [censored]. Why doesn't every Wal-Mart and supermarket smell of ammonia or bleach? They've got hundreds of gallons of the stuff sitting on shelves.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>How much of this stuff has to carried on to fill a plane with chlorine gas?<p><hr></blockquote><p> Very very little. There is no fresh air on a plane and no way for the gas to escape. Plenty of people would be dead before someone could possibly release air masks, and even then if it permiated the cockpit the pilots wouldn't be able to see!<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>So you're suggesting a terrorist is going to make hydrazine by the process above.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No, I don't suggest a terrorist is going to manufacture refined hydrazine in an airplane toilet. That's absurd. You, however are ignoring that it can occur in a spill reaction between bleach and ammonia if the quantities of the two are skewed enough. Ammonia and bleach react different depending on the quantities of each. None of the ways they react are good. And you're making the fatal mistake of overestimating the idiots who would try something like this just because they heard it wasn't good, never mind on how deadly it might actually be. Do you think Richard Reid's shoe bomb would actually have done anything? Probably not. Doesn't mean folks should have just sat there and let him light it off.<br><br>I'm glad you like wikipedia, even though sean will tell you any college professor worth a damn will fail you for referencing an encyclopedia.<br><br>Since you seem so adept at it though, I wonder why you never link to a wiki article that shows liquid explosives have already been used on an aircraft?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If I thought it was a car bomb I would probably dial 911 and not take a closer look before I put the key in the ignition.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Why, are you a dumbass? The probability of it being a car bomb are 100,000 to one. I thought you don't want to live in fear?<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®

Thank you. I was gonna say something similar, but I... just... can't... keep... this... up...<br><br>Maybe we can just send IC a souvenir license plate from New Hampshire. <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>No, it's an oxidizer. Hence the reason an explosives dog will flag it<p><hr></blockquote><p>It may be an ingredient, but you haven't provided any evidence that an <br>explosive could be made on an airplane. You're ignoring science.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Now you're completely full of [censored]. Why doesn't every Wal-Mart and supermarket smell of ammonia or bleach? They've got hundreds of gallons of the stuff sitting on shelves.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Are you a heavy smoker? I can smell it. When I go in the grocery store, I smell<br>my produce for freshness and taste. When I'm in the detergent aile I can smell<br>the different cleaners and the bleach. There's a cornucopica of olfactory senses.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Very very little. There is no fresh air on a plane and no way for the gas to escape. Plenty of people would be dead before someone could possibly release air masks, and even then if it permiated the cockpit the pilots wouldn't be able to see!<p><hr></blockquote><p>No references to any links. Just making up facts, again?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>No, I don't suggest a terrorist is going to manufacture refined hydrazine in an airplane toilet. That's absurd. You, however are ignoring that it can occur in a spill reaction between bleach and ammonia if the quantities of the two are skewed enough. Ammonia and bleach react different depending on the quantities of each. None of the ways they react are good.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Again no references, just making up facts, again?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm glad you like wikipedia, even though sean will tell you any college professor worth a damn will fail you for referencing an encyclopedia.<p><hr></blockquote><p>The wikipedia has references at the bottom. I reference the wiki as a short cut<br>for you to find other references. That is, if you're really interested in facts and<br>not just making up facts.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Since you seem so adept at it though, I wonder why you never link to a wiki article that shows liquid explosives have already been used on an aircraft?<p><hr></blockquote><p>That was an actual explosive - not bleach. The terrrorist didn't make the <br>nitroglycerin on the plane, he carried it on the plane. It wasn't bleach, acetone,<br>or any other chemical that could possible be made into an explosive. It<br>was an explosive.<br><br>The idea that a terrorist taking bleach on a plane to make an explosive is<br>pure fantasy.<br><br><br><br>[color:red]Allez Cuisine! Bang a gong, it is on</font color=red>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Thank you. I was gonna say something similar, but I... just... can't... keep... this... up...<p><hr></blockquote><p>Looks like you've found a new sidekick. Next time don't be too quick to <br>sign off "over and out". Wait a few minutes and maybe your buddy the<br>Sgt. can talk for ya <br><br>[color:red]Allez Cuisine! Bang a gong, it is on</font color=red>