I'd love to hear (I mean read) your XP rant. So far the only person I know who has installed XP has had one problem after another, but from what I read that may be unusual. So make me think otherwise!<br><br>And that's true too.--Shakespeare, King Lear
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'd love to hear (I mean read) your XP rant.<p><hr></blockquote><p>No you wouldn't. For one thing I haven't used the XP install more than about 3 or 4 hours total since doing it. <br><br>Half of that time was spent trying to install some applications software I prefer to the software Uncle Bill kindly provides and all but insists I use.<br><br>The installation process, about 4 hours itself, is another story I prefer not to remember, let alone recount.<br><br>That's about 8 hours of time invested on my part. Time "used" (a euphemism) is only about 2 hours. Last I knew it was working great, i.e., with respect to those applications which were working.<br><br>Since none of the applications software I use on the PC was working the relevance of "working" becomes questionable.<br><br>Since my previous post I've seen to it that the situation will be remedied. I've used MS-DOS and assorted versions of Windoze since 1981, not always (rarely, actually) out of choice. Have always done all my own installations.<br><br>One might say that the PC with XP Pro installed is becoming "history" as you read this. Am uncertain of details. I'm having nothing to do with the return of Win2k Pro mentioned in previous post.<br><br>
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yeah I agree that BBEdit is the thing to use for Netscape 6 hacking.<br>but I still prefer to use Netscape 4.77 over all other browsers though I have to admit that IE 5 and Netscape 6 have little difference in vying for second place .. though I much preferred Opera before the latest beta<br><br>=============================================================<br>| "Behold the Turtle, he maketh no progress ==== until he sticketh out his neck." |<br>=============================================================
#2815 - 11/11/0112:59 AMRe: Netscape 6: How to use Eudora for Mailto?
I really hated to give up Netscape 4.78. Same for 3.04 (3.05?) and 1.12. Doesn't load a few pages using some of the new "standards" not to mention some of the new Micro$loth butchered non-standards.<br><br>The Netscape 4.7x series was a great browser and I miss it. Among other things it *didn't* have all the features that Mozilla .98 has that I don't want and which get in the way.<br><br>Trade off. And btw, I don't like the latest Opera beta (in X, haven't used the latest for OS9 much).<br><br>Son and I set up a *nice* 540c he picked up cheap somewhere for his wife this afternoon. She's mostly going to use like a PDA plus a little word processing and email. We also put Netscape 1.12 on it and did a little (careful) surfing for old times sake.<br><br>Loading pages like MacMinute and MacInTouch went great. Then tried a few geek, NeXT, OS X & etc. sites with limited graphics and mostly text. Information. Thought that was supposed to be what the Internet was all about.<br><br>Avoided sites with lots of Java, frames, Flash, et al. as that often bombs 1.12.<br><br>Once upon a time, and some still exist, the most common banner on a home page was: "Best viewed with Netscape."<br><br>Are all of the HTML "improvements" really needed? (other than to create jobs for web site construction?)<br><br>Yeah, I know, some of the newer standards and features are interesting. And the more new "standards" there are the more abuse of them there is. I think GoLive is more interesting to work with than PageMill and, before that, just BBEdit.<br><br>And I have a DSL line so I don't have the fun many have with their 56k dialups in loading some of those nifty new pages.<br><br>Trade offs can be frustrating. Wish 4.78 still handled everything on a few sites I visit.<br><br>Off topic as usual....nothing new.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>...Avoided sites with lots of Java, frames, Flash, et al. as that often bombs 1.12.<br>Once upon a time, and some still exist, the most common banner on a home page was: "Best viewed with Netscape."<br>Are all of the HTML "improvements" really needed? (other than to create jobs for web site construction?)<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>I remember how reliable 1.x was and how buggy it was to switch to 2.x just to be able to see all the sites being built in frames. 3.x helped things quite a bit, and the 4 series was a big improvement. That's mainly why I'm so disappointed in 6 - it's just fights the way I'm used to using Netscape and my Macintosh (and how much more MS-like could that be, to fight my way of working?). <br><br>As far as those "best viewed with Netscape" bugs and banners go, I rember them well too. We wouldn't have needed those if BOTH Netscape and Microsoft had made their browsers W3C compliant from the beginning. As it stood, they both violated Web standards all over the place, and MS built IE to use all those proprietary whiz-bangs right from the word go.<br><br>I used to work with a devloper that started the grass-roots movement of "Best viewed with ANY browser" movement. That is what the Web was all about. That is what the Internet in total is all about. Standards. Build systems to a standard and an end user can use whatever compliant client they want to access it. Of course Microsoft is trying to destroy that with their proprietary .Net strategy (and unfortunately there's millions of people ready and willing to hand ownership of the net over to them - bastards). That developer's Web site is still up and promoting the sentiment: http://www.anybrowser.org. Specifically, check out this page: http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/.<br><br><br>
#2817 - 11/11/0109:00 PMRe: Netscape 6: How to use Eudora for Mailto?
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>That's mainly why I'm so disappointed in 6 - it's just fights the way I'm used to using Netscape and my Macintosh (and how much more MS-like could that be, to fight my way of working?).<p><hr></blockquote><p>Touche.<br><br>I'll buy that. :)<br><br>But I was in my Micro$loth bashing mode when I made my post. ;)<br><br>And now we have Tim Berners-Lee disagreeing with W3C, which he founded, over the royalty issue, with IBM lined up in opposition to the Linux folks they plan to spend $1 Bil to support and all sorts of strange bedfellows.<br><br>(Most complete coverage IMO at The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/ Various articles.)<br><br>Tim Berners-Lee:<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When I see any Web site claim to be only readable using particular hardware or software, I cringe -- they are pining for the bad old days when each piece of information need a different program to access it.There was a time when I would have believed that the ethos of the Internet, and understanding of the importance as an independent medium, was pervasive enough to ensure that things would be acceptably open. However, the latest events have shown that this is not the case, and legislation is therefore required before we can have the sort of world in which I want to live, work, and bring up children.<p><hr></blockquote><p>(specific link at The Register not available)<br><br>We now also have the W3C compliant browser of the W3C, but, big surprise, it only runs on Windows. Not Mac. Not *nix. Just Windows.<br><br>Best end here before I slip into my "the Internet was a better place before WWW was invented and there was only usenet, telnet, WAIS, Gopher, & etc. mode." :P<br><br>Nothing new, really. Now we've got W3C being bashed by open source community, with some threatening to fork the Internet.<br><br>"Online" has always been an interesting place. :)<br><br>
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