I'm with you on this, OSXaddict. And I want to add that all the Muslims I've known, really without exception, have been smart, funny, witty, sensitive, understanding. And that's been true even after they stopped being in my classes <br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"
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my purpose for doing this was to help daddymac understand this issue a little better. i was upset with that original thread and he asked for help understanding the issue better. i didn't want to come right out and point fingers, but...he seems to agree with the original poster and blames it on the media he watches. i just thought Waleed could state that the Muslims in question do not represent the majority and maybe give some insights into how these groups came to be such a large part of the representation of Muslims in the middle east in our media and what the majority thinks of these groups over there. <br><br>i apologize to Waleed for the insensitivity of the original post and for the fact that i brought it to his attention, but i don't believe daddymac was listening to what was posted by those of us who are from the west. i think waleed would understand that the vast majority of the posters responding to that original post thought it was insensitive. sorry you took exception to this take, sross.<br><br>[color:blue] -sean</font color=blue>
Sean, I took exception to you bringing such an absurd topic to this forum. I am sorry, but it is a side of you I had never seen before.<br>I am not inclined to jump to Waleed's defense because it is unnecessary. I think it would be condescending for me to do so.<br>Kind of like saying "some of my best friends are______"<br>Neither he or his religion needs to be defended nor does anyone's faith. Frankly, that is why I left MC. Now it is being visited here and I am reacting. Perhaps this could have been a little more appropriate if done by PM.<br>Let the bigots and anti-semites, anti-blacks, anti-catholics and anti-everything stay elsewhere.<br>Sean, nothing personal to you and I know you had honorable motives in your post. <br><br>
sorry again. a much better approach would have been to ask Waleed if there was a website in english that gave a different perspective on the average Muslims in the middle east because our media tends to focus in on the minority who do not represent the whole. perhaps a site that gives a look into daily life and the issues discussed. you're right -- i didn't need to bring the filth over here.<br><br>[color:blue] -sean</font color=blue>
No, you misunderstood a big part of my point- I said I could see how a person could hold the point of view that was in the original post, not that I agreed with it...<br><br>Please don't lump me in with the 'unsilent minority' that posts out of ignorance, Sean...All I was doing was trying to formulate a theory on why such a post would get started in the first place.<br><br>I am well aware that the majority of the Muslim community does not practice terrorism, and does not wish to see all non-Islamic countries conquered or destroyed or whatever...<br><br>I only agreed with the one TINY little portion of his post that begs the question, "Where are the leaders of the Muslim community that should be condemning these actions by the small percentage of extremists that are giving the religion as a WHOLE a bad name amongst less-informed citizens of the world?"<br><br>Someone said, "Well, you don't see Christian leaders condemning the hate groups that burn crosses on people's lawns..."<br><br>I just think this is such a huge issue that some faction of Islam needs to identify itself, come forward and try to represent what is indeed GOOD about the religion and its followers. If no one does, then the American media will continue to lump all the extremists in with the rest of the Islamic community- and we will continue to get posts like that in MCF and the discrimination against Muslims will only get worse.<br><br>If you go back and read the first few posts of that thread, Sean, you'll see it really didn't get ugly until the second post in, when someone associated the word 'savages' with those in the Muslim 'extremists' category.<br><br>I really don't think what was INITIALLY said was all that inflammatory or offensive. In fact, I'll put money down that Waleed would AGREE that it's a shame that so few are bringing so much heat down on, for the most part, a peace-loving community of Islamics.<br><br>Hell, if some group of Baptists went around blowing up buildings and suicide-bombed nightclubs and restaurants, and if it happened enough and the media started running stories like: "Baptism- a Religion of Terror", then we'd have American citizens condemning the whole religion as a bunch of 'nut cases' and 'maniacs'...Never mind the fact that it could just be a few dozen guys who got it in their heads that the Baptist religion was being oppressed, and the best way to fight back is through bombs and killing.<br><br>I would hope that the Baptist leaders of this country (or whatever country this was happening in) would stand up and say, "Hey, these people do NOT represent our religion...they're nuts. End of story.".<br><br>The second problem is basically in skin color. This whole 9/11 and subsequent terrorist acts has got us looking shifty-eyed at anyone wearing a turban or walking into a mosque. It's a crying shame, but again- where is the damage control here? It's going to take a LOT more than President Bush standing up and saying, "Hey now, leave these nice Muslim folks alone"...<br><br>I think I DO understand the issue here- my point is that I understand BOTH sides of the issue. While you may look at the MCF thread and simply take offense or be outraged that someone can be so ignorant and insensitive, I see someone who doesn't have all the facts and I kinda understand why that is.<br><br>There's a lot more factors involved than just trying to filter out something that someone heard on Fox News...<br><br>[color:red]Hold on...it's time for a</font color=red><br>
DaddyMac thanks for explaining your point. It makes a lot of sense and living in the Middle East we ask same questions every day. Why the muslim leaders do not make a point?<br><br>There are two issues:<br><br>First of all muslim leaders do make statements that would clear things up. But these statements are usually very moderate. This is because you have to be careful in a muslim society not to be misunderstood or rather misinterpreted. If a muslim leader would make a clear statement against extremist he would be accused by some that he is a traitor and loose credibility instantly. So there is no hope that someone would stand up and say what has to be said. This is an unfortunate situation that won't change in the near future in the Middle East.<br><br>Secondly, the western media is more sensitive to extremists communications and actions than modest and quiet muslim leaders. The extremist make headlines. That sells the paper. This is another unfortunate situation won't change in the near future in the West.<br><br>http://raszl.net
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