"If you don't like the pay and benefits, quit. Simple." Is that the advise you would give a current high school dropout? If that were your situation now do you think the outcome would be the same? In the area you live what employment opportunities are available for that education level, how about pay?<br><br><br>
Good for you-<br><br>You were fortunate... many others who work just as hard as you are NOT.<br><br>Don't judge the whole world by your own experience (N=1).<br>Statistically very poor analysis.<br><br>just for the sake of clarification- what was you "line of work"?<br>is it currently being outsourced?<br><br>David (OFI)<br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You were fortunate... many others who work just as hard as you are NOT.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I'm very sceptical about "fortune" when it comes to working. People who rely on it are more often than not going to be struggling all of their lives. You make your own fortune and step 1 is finding the information that is applicable to you and your skills.<br><br>For some people it's getting an education, others need college and post graduate. And some can get away with being a school drop out and working on "street smarts" - isn't Donald Trump one of the later?<br><br><br>- This is gonna get pretty interesting. <br>- Define "interesting". <br>- Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die..
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Is that the advise you would give a current high school dropout?<p><hr></blockquote><p>You just hit the nail right on the head. The high school dropout. Why should Walmart, or anyone else for that matter be held responsible for someone who made a choice not to get an education? People make choices. They choose to have sex and get pregnant at 16. They choose not to push their children to do well in school. They choose to pick up the crack pipe. Right now the state of TN has enough money in the Hope scholarship fund for every single high school grad to go to collage at no cost to them, and yet every year millions of dollars lay unused. It's about choice. So we get pissed and point the finger at Walmart for being the bad guy. Hell if people don't like the job get out and work your ass off and get an education then get a better job. Eventually companies like Walmart will be forced to increase benefits just to get employees.<br><br>Case in point. My current lady friend is an RN here. She was a highschool dropout with two kids, one disabled, and was working in the ER as a utility aid stocking rooms. She put herself through school and now she has a great paying job with excelent benefits. She is currently working on her bachelors and is looking to go on to Nurse Practioner school. She made a choice that she wasn't going to live poor, and she did something about it.<br><br>I am sick to death of seeing healthy, intelligent people sit on their butts eating cheetto's and bitching about how the rich are screwing them. The rich got that way because the worked hard at it. If you don't like your life the way it is do something about it. Take responsibility for yourself, and stop blaming everybody else. (Not "you" personally Gigi, but a general "you")<br><br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>And some can get away with being a school drop out and working on "street smarts" - isn't Donald Trump one of the later?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Not even close. He had his father's business and money but also an education as a starting point.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>(__*__)
There are few really "rags to riches" examples, esp when you consider there are probably 1-10 million hard working ordinary people who don't get rich for every "rags to riches" story you find. Sure there are some even if Trump isn't, but they are NOT the normal. <br><br>It's like a gene mutation- sure they happen but on a scale a million times less frequent than normal gene replication. Just like there are lottery winners... very visible, but million more lose or win small prizes. NOt saying hard work doesn't pay off many times, but hundreds of 1000s of people are in "dead end" jobs... they've risen as high as they can go... <br><br> they can try retraining, but that's tough when you have a mortgage to pay, a family to feed, bills to pay and you have to take time off work, and spend even more for schooling. Thats' why in many families it's the wife that goes back to school... logistically easier of the two income earners, though still hard.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>
I think that in this context "fortune" means something like, where and to whom were you born. Not that it's always true that those things end up defining what a person becomes, but they sure do have a terrific influence. I think even the most conservative of persons here would agree that if I were a completely irresponsible parent, who didn't give a rat's rear end about what my kid was doing and paid no attention at all to his school work, etc., then it's likely that the kid would not turn out all that well. I say "likely" because there are instances, no doubt, when an individual can overcome those kinds of circumstances. But on the whole, statistically speaking, it ain't likely to happen. On the other hand, if I add to the description of my approach to parenting a teeny little point--that I'm super-rich so I can send the kid off to Choate Rosemary Hall for school just to get him out of my hair, then it would probably be likely (again) that the kid would do much better for himself.<br><br>I think it's a commonplace of education that the thing that correlates most highly with academic achievement is parental socioeconomic status. If you're poor, your kids do poorly; if you're well-off, your kids do well. There are at least two reasons that can be alleged for the difference. The first is that riches and poverty in parents are a marker for superior genes, so that for evolutionary reasons, so to speak, the kids of well-off parents will do better (I'm sure that conservative anti-Darwinians would not subscribe to this perspective, of course ). The sescond is that riches and poverty make the context in which kids are raised very different, and that difference produces different "social wealth," as it's sometimes called.<br><br>For instance, I live in a fairly affluent household, but in a neighborhood of real and dire poverty. My son grew up with some kids who never had a chance to do the things he did. What things? Nothing terribly spectacular. We took him to museums and to the theater. We travelled with him, all up and down the East Coast corridor, from Boston to DC, and to Chicago. He went to Montreal with us, fell in love with croissants, and learned that French-speakers are great people. He spent a couple of months in Tucson when I went out there for an NEH seminar. He's visited San Francisco, Los Angeles, Miami. Meanwhile, his friends did not go regularly to museums or theaters, and have gone no further than the suburban mall. I'll grant you that it's not automatic that my son will do better in school, but the likelihood is certainly there.<br><br>Fortune is not fate or accident, I think, and if that's what you meant, I agree with you absolutely!<br><br>. . . . . Here's lookin' at [color:red]you</font color=red> kid.
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I congratulate all who started from nothing and would up with something. One would ask those who dropped out and made something of themselves, what changed? If those folks were the hard-working, self-motivated individuals that they are now, why did you dropout? Someone or something happened to change their attitude. That is the advice that I meant for the current high-school dropout, the singe pregnant mom at 16. I am 59. When I got out of high-school there were jobs that didn't require a high-school diploma that paid well and provided benefits. They all were in manufacturing or the Army. Those are pretty well gone including the Army (though, if Iraq keeps up or we decide to invade Iran or North Korea, that may change). Those were the places the drop-outs could lift themselves out of poverty. So I ask you again, if your situation were the same now, could you achieve the same results?<br><br>
Yes they could. There are programs on top of programs to help people move out of poverty. Subsidised day care, adult reading programs, before and after school programs, church programs to help adults on drugs, food stamps, WIC, and scholarships out the wazzoo targeted at poor, under privileged, and single moms. Advisors, councelors, and preachers. Government programs and privately funded programs aimed at just one thing. To help the poor help themselves. And yet what do I see EVERY SINGLE DAY? The very people these programs are aimed at, sitting on the stoop, drinking a 40 and bitching about how the rich are keeping them down. I'm sick of it. I can't count the number of times I've been to apartments in the projects where you find 5 or 6 kids running around bare foot while moma lays on her fat ass watching a big screen TV with two cell phones laying on the coffee table right next to the food stamps. She has a gagle of kids so she gets her government check. Meanwhile her deadbeat boyfriend is laid up in the bedroom smoking a joint and hollering at the kids. When you see it once its one thing. Even twice, you can chalk it up to an aberation, but when you see it 6,7, or 8 times a day, every day you go to work...............After a while it starts pissing you off, and you have to take a hard look at where you tax money is going.<br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
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