And I will fish till they pry my rod from my cold, dead hands!<br><br>Uh, really. I thnk my husband fell in love with me 'cause I could bait my own hook, unsnarl my own birds' nests and clean my own fish.<br><br><br><br><br>[color:blue]And I'm the one that jaded you . . .</font color=blue>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Uh, really. I thnk my husband fell in love with me 'cause I could bait my own hook, unsnarl my own birds' nests and clean my own fish.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Wanted: Marriage to women with fishing boat. Send picture of boat.<br><br><br><br>Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson

So what if she look like a cod? If she has the boat and knows where the fish are. That's a dream date.<br><br><br><br><br><br>(__*__) <-- circular sig when standing

All right, I'll be the token nut on this one. PETA methods are extreme, and I don't subscribe to them, but the idea that humans ought to be humane, which is at the heart of their agenda, I do subscribe to.<br><br>So there.<br><br>That said, I'm not a vegetarian, but I don't eat veal, which I know is harvested in really nasty ways. I avoid chicken and other domesticated fowl (who, incidentally, seem to be on the path of developing WMD against us) because, except for free range critters, their harvesting is horrible too. My point is that humane treatment doesn't equal vegetarianism.<br><br>. . . . . Here's lookin' at [color:red]you</font color=red> kid.

Vegetarian--Indian word for 'bad hunter'.<br><br><br>Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson

I pretty much agree with you. <br><br>But then I look at the animal world and see it can be 100x crueler to itself than we are, so ripping the guts out of a fish or two that's swallowed a hook really doesn't bother me all that much.<br><br>I wouldn't worry about veal too much, regular cows aren't treated any better. At least not the cows you buy at the local supermarket, or in a restaraunt. If anything the veal calves have it much better.<br><br>

There's a veal "farm" near my town. It's horrifying. The calves are kept in metal sheds, not even sheds, something like 3x4 enclosures with basically no ventilation to speak of, with no shading at all, and force-fed. No thanks.<br><br>. . . . . Here's lookin' at [color:red]you</font color=red> kid.

<center><h1>WE HEAR YOU</h1><br>***<br><h3>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h3><br>Inside lightless stockades where metal bars define your earth<br>Where your frantic eyes gaze over an amputated beak <br>Unable to dust bath or flutter one wing<br>An automated hum, the only sound in your artificial prison<br><h3>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h3><br>In the narrow crates... <br>that envelop you from endless pregnancy to nameless death<br>From your first and last walk down death’s corridor<br>toward a blood-splattered man who guides your quivering body<br>into the crushing blast of his stun gun<br>From the impersonal thrust of his knife through still-warm flesh<br>to the final moment when you are dismantled limb by limb<br><h3>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h3><br>As you rock in the corner of your concrete world, waiting for <br>them to blind, burn and inject poison into your exhausted body<br>We ache to shield you from the scalpels and skull probes you <br>have yet to endure<br><h3>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h3><br>When they blast 5,000 volts of electrified pain into your flesh<br>Every time they batter you with metal pipes, bullhooks, flank straps and <br>spurs to obliterate your memories of a mother’s love and endless green.<br><h3>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h3><br>As you search for one familiar face... <br>in the desolate days before a gas chamber claims your anonymous life<br>When you seek the comfort of one set of arms<br>Your last tail wagged<br>Your last purr heard<br>in a gray room with no windows<br><h2>WE HEAR YOUR CRIES</h2><br><h2>AND WE ARE COMING</h2> <br>*KINSHIP PLACE*<br>*Fact Sheets*<br></center><br><br>

I read a column on msnbc.com yesterday that outlined Tucker Carlson's interview with this PETA guy. It was a good article if you can find it again. Tucker really called him out on aiming an ad like this at kids. (I haven't learned how to imbed links in the forum yet, or I would've included it here.)<br><br>

thanks Celandine.......great links !!<br>Some folks care some don't, "cruelty to animals" a constant war that never ends When I breath my last thats when I will quit fighting for the rights of animals and the fight to save those who are depending on man to save them from extinction. <br>We have enslaved the rest of the animal creation, and have treated our distant cousins in fur and feathers so badly that beyond doubt, if they were able to formulate a religion, they would depict <font size="3".[b] the Devil in human form.</font][B/]  ~William Ralph Inge, Outspoken Essays, 1922<br><br><br>From beasts we scorn as soulless,<br>In forest, field and den,<br>The cry goes up to witness<br>The soullessness of men.<br>~M. Frida Hartley<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bird on 12/01/05 10:52 PM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>