If I understand right, it's a volunteer army, right? <br>What was she expecting? He was going to be picking flowers? If she was against his joining and he did anyway, that shows that he supported this country and the President. <br><br>If she supported him joining and has now changed her position, then at the very least, she is naive. <br><br>It's understandable that she's railing against the war. She lost her son to it. I'd be mad too. If I was against the war to begin with, I'd be really mad, but... I don't believe I would used my son's casket as a political soap box to stand on.<br><br><br>

If you listen to her she makes it clear that she always objected to this war in Iraq. Her son enlisted and served under the claim of WMD, etc. She is making this protest because Bush's reasons have changed and that he now states that her son died for a noble cause and others will die to honor his sacrifice. She doesn't accept that or his reasons now considering the light shed on the many aspects leading into this war.<br><br>I think this has been stated in this thread, her reasons and goals, and I've posted links to her website and also a thorough interview. Never has she said anything negative about the troops or treated them with any disrespect. <br><br>Freepers are organizing a "support the troops" "screw Sheehan" rally in Crawford this weekend. That's pretty much the misguided notion that her opposition takes -- because she supports the troops and sees each and every one as an individual and a "mother's son" and wants every single one alive.<br><br>

Many many in the Guard and reserves joined years ago to get extra $ and some to further their education. They never dreamed they'd be used as a front line defense. I'd also bet they don't tell you the dangers of combat when they recruit you either.-- it's all pie in the sky- feel good - Army of 1- see the world used -car salesmanship. Fine - paint roses - deliver sht!<br><br>Regardless, NO ONE expects to be used as "cannon fodder" or as bait to flush out insurgents.They expect a President to only go to war when he HAS to and when our National security is directly threatened. One could make that argument for Afghanistan BUT not Iraq. Now that Iran is going nuclear , how long will it be before Bush invades Algeria?? <br><br>The President has NOT been honest about the whole damn thing- he's changed his tune and flip-flopped several times on the reasons the war was necessary, so why shouldn't everyone else change their opinions? Furthermore, he has NO RATIONAL PLAN to go forward with... it's hard to LEAD when you don't have a F-ing CLUE what you're doing- esp when people's LIVES are at stake !! <br>Bush is the Pied Piper of Bagdad leading good men to their deaths !! <br><br>David (OFI)<br>

Kasey Sheehan<br>From what I can find out in a short time. This young man decided to join the army. There is claim from his mother that he was tricked into joining by the recruiter (speak to any raw army recruit and they will tell you that stories about being tricked by a recruiter are 10/penny - and all these kids go on to serve with honour and distinction). So this Army Specialist, from what I gather, becomes a mechanic, and is eventually assigned to combat in Iraq (once again rumour mill suggests that mechanics are not mandated to a war zone, they volunteer). From an interview with Sindy this morning she stated that when she found out about this assignment she encouraged him to run away with her to Canada. He went to Iraq, showing an obvious understanding to the concept of Honour, Duty and Responsibility - he volunteered, he received orders, he went to war.<br>From what I have been able to discover - Army Specialist Kasey Sheehan was an honourable young man who set an example that many of us will never come close to living up to.<br><br>Sindy Sheehan<br>Is an entirely different case. You just need to read her writings and listen to her rhetoric. She is a devout believer that Bush stole election 2000, and then stole 2004. Her lifetime ambition was to see Bush lose 2004 and following that result to see him impeached. She says she wants to meet George W Bush face to face to find out why her son had to die, and why we are at war.<br><br>I see her public (news media) claims as dubious - she has had face time with the President (something most of us will never get), we have all heard the reasons (excuses) why we went to war, and we have heard why the members of our armed forces are being killed. Does she really believe that she would get a different answer from George in private than he has given in public?<br><br>She states that 62% of the US citizenry thinks we shouldn't be in Iraq, her logic continues that's a majority, therefore we shouldn't be there - wasn't the majority persuaded we should be there at the beginning of the war? I think I shouldn't have dropped that bottle of milk last week - however wishing it hadn't happened still didn't change the fact that I had to clean it all up.<br><br>The woman is a dingbat given way too much time by both liberals and conservatives alike, I think I'll go back to giving this story the attention it deserves now.<br><br><br>- This is gonna get pretty interesting. <br>- Define "interesting". <br>- Oh, God, oh, God, we're all gonna die..

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What other Liberal organizations do with her as their trophy is their agenda, and that is not what this discussion has been about<p><hr></blockquote><p>And I have addressed what this discussion has been about at length. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>and that is not what this discussion has been about (smells like wet straw)<p><hr></blockquote><p>Of course it's a component of what the discussion has been about. <br><br>Wet straw - ??<br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>

Again, I've posted her own words where she says into the camera that her son and his buddies enlisted to serve in Iraq when the President claimed that our national security was threatened by Sadam and his WMD. She did not want him to go because she opposed the war.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>she has had face time with the President (something most of us will never get)<p><hr></blockquote><p>... and she has the President of the United States talk about her to the press corp. This from a President that never recognized the millions that protested the war a year ago. Every political blog is talking about her in one way or another. And the international media is covering the story, interviewing her and elevating her protest from one woman sitting in a ditch to that of an anti-war spokesperson. I'd say Cindy Sheehan sees that she's in a position of power and she damn well has taken full advantage of it. <br><br>Any other liberal, anti-war organization would be foolish if they didn't take advantage of this momentum. And so it goes.<br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If you listen to her she makes it clear that she always objected to this war in Iraq. Her son enlisted and served under the claim of WMD, etc. She is making this protest because Bush's reasons have changed and that he now states that her son died for a noble cause and others will die to honor his sacrifice. She doesn't accept that or his reasons now considering the light shed on the many aspects leading into this war.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And no one is saying she doesn't have a right to sit in a ditch in Texas from now until next August. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Freepers are organizing a "support the troops" "screw Sheehan" rally in Crawford this weekend. That's pretty much the misguided notion that her opposition takes --<p><hr></blockquote><p>That "opposition" is the rest of Casey Sheehan's family. You know, the people liberals are now trying to minimize and piss on.<br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> I'd say Cindy Sheehan sees that she's in a position of power and she damn well has taken full advantage of it. <p><hr></blockquote><p>You're coming close to saying she's exploiting the death of her son to further a political agenda. . . .<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Any other liberal, anti-war organization would be foolish if they didn't take advantage of this momentum. And so it goes.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Any other liberal, anti-war organization would be foolish if they didn't take advantage of exploiting the dead soldier. And so it goes. <br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>

The liberals on this forum have only pissed on Matt Drudge and expressed their sympathy for the family, both who in their own ironic ways are using Cindy's son as a tool to further their own political views. <br><br>The family want to honor their grandson,nephew/godson by having his mother shutup by an email to the Drudge Report promoting their love of country, troops & George Bush.<br><br>Cindy wants to honor her son by having his Commander in Chief spend a little one on one time... nowhere in the Constitution does it say citizens can only talk to the President once. She wants her protest to be heard by the rest of the world.<br><br><br><br><br><br>

Cindy Sheehan is only exploiting the media coverage of her protest. You can twist that any way you want. It's an argument neither of us can win.<br><br>I have not heard Sheehan say "Casey would have...." regarding any political viewpoint. She's speaking only for herself. She has through Gold Star Families for Peace and her protest made others who share her common plight join her so their voices can be heard too. <br><br>