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#243107 - 08/11/05 08:18 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: garyW]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently respectfully grieving.<p><hr></blockquote><p>well, if that was working for you, then i suggest you silently and respectfully continue to grieve and not run to drudge. cindy has obviously decided to fight for her son's memory by trying to raise a stink in the hopes of helping other families not to experience the same pain. she is protesting a president and a policy. the family is merely dividing a family. that's love. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

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#243108 - 08/11/05 08:26 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: ChrisN]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>What I would like to know, exactly how should a parent react to the death of a child and the reasons for it?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Hopefully, none of us will ever find out.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Also, who has the right to tell her how to act?<p><hr></blockquote><p>None of us do . . . but I give her family, his family, the benefit here. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Even if we would not do what she is doing, who are we to decide what is the correct thing for her to do or not do?<p><hr></blockquote><p>None of us are, except her family. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>How would you react to losing a son or daughter?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Again, I hope to never find out. <br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>
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#243109 - 08/11/05 08:33 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: sean]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>well, if that was working for you, then i suggest you silently and respectfully continue to grieve and not run to drudge. cindy has obviously decided to fight for her son's memory by trying to raise a stink in the hopes of helping other families not to experience the same pain. she is protesting a president and a policy. the family is merely dividing a family. that's love.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Her family, Casey's family, is saying . . . <br><br><blockquote>[Cindy] now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation.</blockquote><br><br>. . . And as a family, they are coming together to tell her to stop the exploitation. But go ahead and trash the family just because it goes against your ideological grain. <br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>
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#243110 - 08/11/05 08:33 PM Re: You're welcome [Re: MattMac112]
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Why has Drudge recently edited down the letter, removing the name of the "aunt and godmother"? Could it be because the validity of it is being questioned? Perhaps. Either way, Karen Hughes prepares the language for the President, Drudge once again does the heavy lifting, Oliphant almost got it right:<br><br><br><br><br>Bush's prepared statement doesn't quite come close. It's only going to backfire, the more he dodges and the more both sides of the media play these games.<br><br><br><br>
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#243111 - 08/11/05 08:43 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: sean]
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How can an argument for unbiased media be an honest argument when emails from a now "anonymous godmother" is presented as noteworthy (FWIW) news in one of the most politically charged stories of the week? I don't get it. Drudge is a biased hack, why can't others see that?<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>
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#243112 - 08/11/05 08:45 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: MattMac112]
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you've got it partly right when you quote the family saying: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>[Cindy] now appears to be<p><hr></blockquote><p>the family apparently doesn't even completely know the motivation, yet they're none too quick to make a guess and they've worded it well . . . "appears."<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

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#243113 - 08/11/05 08:47 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: MattMac112]
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Obviously, the family has every right to make their opinion known as she also has the right to carry on how she wishes. It's also obvious that you disagree with her protest and side with what the family is purported to have said. I would imagine she would be glad that you don't have to walk in her shoes. <br><br>---<br> In reply to:<br><br> Even if we would not do what she is doing, who are we to decide what is the correct thing for her to do or not do?<br><br>None of us are, except her family. <br>---<br><br>I disagree with you that the family has the right to decide how she should act. <br><br>Chris<br><br><br><br>Light-Imagery<br><br><br><br>

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#243114 - 08/11/05 10:22 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: ChrisN]
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Yup!<br><br>Mother Trumps Family!<br><br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green>
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#243115 - 08/11/05 11:16 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: MattMac112]
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Funny both you and Bryan use the same trick to introduce information which portrays a mother's grief as not really all that sincere. You both used, "that said". As if it is OK to say a mother's grief is profound blah blah blah, that said, she is a nut case taking money from Soros.<br><br>A mother's grief is a mother's grief. There is nothing more profound. And there is nothing so small as someone who tries to belittle a mother's grief of losing her child.<br><br>A godmother should be listened to if she tries to shut the mouth of a mother's grief? As Celandine says, the mother trumps, big time. You kill a child then you listen to the mother. Royal flush ace high.<br><br>I hope this kind of villainous bullshiit backfires on the likes of Drudge.<br><br>Developing ... Drudge has jumped the shark. He is really showing his true colors reporting this.<br><br><br><br><br>

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#243116 - 08/11/05 11:27 PM Re: For what it's worth . . . [Re: polymerase]
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Don't call what Drudge does "reporting." He's merely a rumor mill used as a tool by people looking to spread disinformation. I'll call him a reporter when he actually goes out and does reporting work.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
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