i don't think he made a charge, but i have <a href="http://www.macminute.com/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=politics&Number=203116&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1#Post203116">seen garyw point out</a> when he's seen an article or headline at the drudge report being echoed here without credit going to drudge. drudge, limbaugh . . . same difference in the grand scheme of things.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

In all the liberal websites and forums I read, never are Bette Midler, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Barbara Streisand or Whoopi Goldberg ever mentioned or discussed. What's your (and Rush's and Ingraham's and Hannity's and Drudge's..) obsession with them? They have political beliefs that no one could give a f*ck about, but they are able to use their celebrity status to talk on camera about themselves or to raise tons of money for Democratic fundraisers. That's why I believe they are in the crosshairs of conservative talk shows, because they raise money. If I ever quote Bette Midler on this forum, just shoot me.<br><br><br>As far as Dean soundbite (Meet The Press, 5/22):<br><br>"MR. RUSSERT: <br>Do you really hate Republicans? Do you consider them evil?<br><br>DR. DEAN: I don't--well, actually that was a little out of context. But I don't hate Republicans as individuals. But I hate what the Republicans are doing to this country. I really do. I hate deficits, as you know. When I was governor, I really was very tough on fiscal responsibility. Deficits in the long run aren't good for the country, and they do lower our standard of living. Every American family knows that you have to pay your bills. I hate the dishonesty, you know, the idea that you'd put a program through Congress without telling people what it costs, I think that's wrong. Some of the things that the president said on our way into Iraq, they just weren't true, and I don't think that's right. So..."<br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i don't think he made a charge<p><hr></blockquote><p>I do. I'm just asking to show me where. Show me when and show me by whom. <br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>

No need to be an apologist for the self-important Hollywood crowd, GDub. These people like to walk around and spout off their political points of view (not saying they shouldn't) and, as far as I'm concerned, they're not "hands off." I do find it interesting that these liberals, along with political figures like Harry Reid, go around screaming and crying and demanding that they're "patriotism not be questioned", yet . . . Well, I'll let Bette speak for herself.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>That's why I believe they are in the crosshairs of conservative talk shows<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not a conservative talk show. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>As far as Dean soundbite (Meet The Press, 5/22)<p><hr></blockquote><p>As far as the Dean soundbite, he got his nuts in a wringer with his dumbass comment and then backpeddles on Meet The Press. Oh my! <br><br>That hasn't kept him from being less "divisive"(your word) on down the road, now has it?<br><br>* * * * * * * * * * * * * *<br>I [censored] bigger than you.<br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>. . . of the raging anarchists around here.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Anarchists? Come on now...just the opposite.<br><br>From wikipedia:<br><br>Anarchism is derived from the Greek &#945;&#957;&#945;&#961;&#967;&#943;&#945; ("without archons (rulers)"). Thus "anarchism," in its most general meaning, is [color:blue]the belief that rulership is unnecessary and should be abolished. All forms of anarchism oppose the existence of a State and favor what they percieve to be voluntary relations between individuals.</font color=blue> Various types of anarchism devise particular organizations of society and economic systems that they believe are most consistent with the lack of "rulership" and most conducive to the maximization of freedom.<br><br>My emphasis in [color:blue]blue</font color=blue>.<br><br>I believe you are referring to what are commonly called liberals...as in the annoited class.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>...the belief that rulership is unnecessary...<p><hr></blockquote><p>Oh, I get it. Teenagers! <br><br>

Gee sean, for a second there it looked like you're defending Paul. You know, like what you, in a SNIDE moment of your own, accused me of doing for Matt.<br><br>Funny, ain't it, how it's ok for you to support your like-minded comrades, but when someone on the other side of the ping-pong table does it, you're right there with back-handed criticism. I guess that's no surprise, either.<br><br>So... talk to me about straw men, eh?<br><br>

looked like it? of course i was. but more than that, i enjoy engaging matt in debate and discussion and i liked the perspective i brought to that discussion.<br><br>EDIT: the difference is that i am proud of my contribution to the exchange. you appear to be a bit self-concious of yours.<br><br>do you understand the straw-man concept?<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by sean on 08/06/05 09:56 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>

*sigh* Yes, sean. I understand the straw man concept. It also happens to be an effective tool in the selling of creative concepts to advertising clients. Taking a definition of it as your signature does not make you the guardian of the idea.<br><br>Glad to see you're proud of your defense of someone else's position. Just wondering why you find it a problem when someone else does the same.<br><br>

When I say "They have political beliefs that no one could give a f*ck about", you interpret that as me being an apologist for them. I asked earlier in this thread, do you read or just paint your stereotype so you can attack? <br><br>As far as Dean's comment, I guess it is more truthful and newsworthy when you tell us what Dean meant rather than him answering the charge directly. Oh my! <br><br><br><br>