like some deluded fools seem to want to believe. In fact, it has been the 'right' which has opposed bush the most.<br><br>But hey, who cares about reality when ideological myths need to be worshipped <br><br>

It would seem obvious that the Repubs are often disunited and have intraparty factions and disagreements. I'm a conservative, but some of the Republicans' programs make me puke, such as the push for ethanol in gasoline.<br><br>But, as someone once said, politics is the art of the possible.<br><br>Sadly, Democrat unity consists entirely of negativity, obstructionism, and hissy fits over any positive news about the state of the union, without having any sort of constructive proposals of their own to offer.<br><br>[color:red]Bibo, ergo sum</font color=red>

Yeah, some people just want the truth, especially when it comes to war. Even if the truth stinks. Imagine that! <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>....such as the push for ethanol in gasoline.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Hmmm...best place for that is in the sintax aisle of the local grocery or in my refridgerator - not the gas pump!!<br><br><br><br>We all do what we do for the same reason: because it seems like a good idea at the time.

what the matter with ethanol in gasoline ?<br><br>more fuel efficient... gives corn farmers more cash crop.<br>we give the Saudis and terrorists less of our $$<br><br>I don't get it? what wrong with those? (curious)<br><br><br>Many of the Dems are acting like the GOP did under Clinton !<br>Politics is predictable... each wants power and will do most anything to get and KEEP it. Have the GOP said squat about "term limits " the past 10 years? gee that was a big thing to Newt and others in the late 80s' mmmm why are they so quiet now? <br>Have any said anything about deficits (big GOP talk in the 80's). <br> reducing the size of Govt? (big GOP talk in the 80-90's). <br>getting Govt off our backs? (big GOP talk in the 80's). <br>once the GOP took over Congress, all the rhetoric changed.<br><br><br>David (OFI)<br>

How can EtOH be more fuel efficient when a liter contains fewer BTUs than a liter of gasoline and it requires more energy to produce than the EtOH yields?<br><br>[color:red]Bibo, ergo sum</font color=red>

Agreed. We're better off promoting clean diesel than ethanol/gasoline blends. The cleaner kind they have in Europe, not in North America. Although I believe we're heading that way anyway.<br><br><br>

it has to do with more efficient burning of the hydrocarbons in the gasoline, not the ethanol itself..<br><br>also burns cleaner.<br>supoposed to leave less engine deposits.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

I'm curious about that comparison, so if you could oblige me with where that comparison comes from, I'd appreciate it. I haven't researched it myself, so the only thing I know is that here in the midwest, ethanol equals political success.<br><br>I want to know where the comparison starts. Let's say you start with a hopper of corn and some barrels of crude. The ethanol is going to be at a marked disadvantage because its production cost advantage would seemingly be in the acquisition of the raw materials. So if you just start with the source product, ethanol looks horrible. However, I wonder how the cost compares when you bring in the total energy/capital spent. Crude oil needs to be explored, drilled, and secured before it's refined. Corn only needs to be grown.<br><br>I'm also curious about the meaningfulness of energy comparisons. I'm sure oil has an advantage in that regard, but the whole point of ethanol or gasoline is not only that it is energy, but that it is energy to go. An energy-negative (in terms of production) product is still important so long as you can find ways to use renewable or abundant sources to process it.<br><br>Those are some pretty uninformed thoughts, but ideas nonetheless. I also wouldn't mind seeing ethanol or some other gas-ahol become successful since it would be big for my state.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>

No doubt EtOH produces less energy than gasoline hydrocarbons, (its more oxidized to begin with), but I don't think its advantages lie in economics. From what I understand it reduces greenhouse gas emissions.<br><br>But, from your previous signatures, you LIKE global warming, so that is still a bad thing for you. <br><br>