I don't doubt mass graves have been found. By both Saddams hand AND U.S. bombs. ~250,000 were bombed to death by the U.S. in '91, ~1,000,000 Iraqi's died as a result of the sanctions put in place by the U.S., 100,000+ Iraqi's have been killed by U.S. bombs, in this latest round. Plus, the Iran-Iraq war, which the U.S. armed both sides (with chemical weapons too!). So there is no doubt there are mass graves as a result of the policies of the good ol USA.<br><br>Yes sir, devastation is the new freedom <br><br>Anyway back to your delusions of grandeur, Yup, a real legend in your own mind you are.<br><br>Have a nice day! <br><br>

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2001 - Powell (February 2001) and Rice (July 2001) declare Iraq has no WMD and is not a threat<br><br><EMBED SRC="http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/sveniot/powell-rice-no-wmd-2001.mp3", WIDTH=100, HEIGHT=15 CONTROLLER=TRUE AUTOPLAY=TRUE loop=true><br><br>Let alone, the band of liars have been around since the other bush admin. They don't just die, when they are out of office and many remain in important positions within the gov.<br><br>And what about those forged documents - yellowcake/Niger? Now if the case was sooooo solid, why would there be a need to forge documents? Or cherry pick data from intelligence, with no qualifiers? Etc.<br>.........<br><br>http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/<br>

For those of your who haven't read my posts before - I have 3 friends at CDC in a special unit- they were told in the fall of 2001 to be ready for an invasion of Iraq in 2003. They were working on biological tests that could be critical if they were needed. They were told the exact date of the invasion. One of them eas a GOPer and strong Bush supporter in 2000. All 3 independently told me this, and each didn't know the other had confided in me.<br><br>The point is like the UK memo also states and the myriad of evidence of all the hyped BS before the war about WMDs (yellowcake, Al tubes, bioweapons trucks, drone planes, and on and on which all turned out to be FALSE) that W had decided long ago to invade Iraq and take Saddam out.. all the rhetoric and BS leading up to the invasion in 2002-3, and his repeated remarks "I haven't made a decision" were all LIES and coverup.<br><br>So YES- it's real - it's true - but there is so much evidence under everyones noses... it's obvious they preplanned this to anyone but the most lock step lemmings of the neocon section of the GOP. THAT fact will be further validated in the future just like the Deep Throat revelation a few days ago.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

I have a newspaper that states on stardate (not mandate) Sept. 28, 2001<br>"Vice Pres Chey stated there is no connection to Saddumb and the WTC destruction... "<br><br>dugh, unless Saddumb and his playboy minions were making dough off the WTC like the costranosa's 2mil a year from waste management...<br><br>that's another story<br>something tells me in my soul<br>all souls true need not cheat<br><br>X

but yet they tried to float that connection during all the BS build up to the invasion..<br><br>that's what's so obvious... if you examine ALL their statements (From 9/11/2001 until the invasion and after it was apparent no WMDs were going ot be found) they're one contradition and lie after another... <br><br>only neocon stooges can not see that by now.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

So if I understand you correctly, you have three friends who leaked insanely sensitive and top secret information to you about an upcoming invasion, putting at risk thousands of American lives?<br><br>Nice tratiors you got there. Good to know our men and women in the armed forces can rely on their lives being risked by these A-holes. <br><br>

"Destroying Iraq was not the right thing to do."<br><br>Zap, where have you been?<br>According to a UNICEF report at the end of 2003, more than 3 1/2 million children had been immunized.<br><br>UNICEF says that as of April, 2004, more than 2,500 schools have been renovated with the goal of 4,000 being completed by the end of the year, but 10,000 more need repair.<br><br>In a November, 2003 interview on National Public Radio, Andrew Natsios of the U.S. Agency for International Development said that the port at Umm Qasar, Iraq's largest, is modern and functioning for the first time in 20 years.<br><br>Because of disrepair and looting, it took a lot of work to get hospitals back up to speed but according to James Haverman, the Coalition Provisional Authority Senior Advisor to the Iraqi Ministry of Health, all 240 hospitals in Iraq as well as 2400 primary health care clinics were operating as of December, 2003.<br><br>On March 8, 2004, an interim constitution that defines Iraq as being "federal, democratic and pluralist" was signed by members of the Iraqi Governing Council<br><br>According to Human Rights Watch, Iraqi girls and women have enjoyed comparatively more rights than in some of the other countries of the Middle East.<br>The Iraqi Constitution of 1970 included women's rights for voting, attending school, owning property, and running for office.<br>Still, the status of women in Iraq has not always been the best because of other cultural and economic factors such as the aftermath of the 1991 war and economic sanctions.<br>School attendance for girls has not been prohibited although more boys than girls have been enrolled, especially in rural areas.<br><br>Not only are U.S. soldiers demonstrating field sanitation and hand washing, but UNICEF is conducting an active health education program to improve personal hygiene and promote more hand washing<br><br><br>Zap, you are so typical of this 'Sky is falling' crap. Iraq is so much better now than before we went there. But because Bush is sooooooo bad, that means that NOTHING America does can be good. (rolling eyes)<br><br>The truth of the matter is that we are doing a good job over there and it makes you crazy. Sorry buddy. Sucks to be you.<br><br>

Leaving behind your criticism of Zap, I agree with your point about debating the Iraq War. America has done some great things in Iraq, but the argument nearly always centers between partisans on some irrelevant scale between the good and bad things that have happened in the country.<br><br>That's really an unproductive argument to have people some people are bound to ignore the condition of any particular group of Iraqi citizens depending on whether they are doing well, or deceased. Iraq as an issue is so much more than just some sick game between good and bad things.<br><br>I am personally disappointed (polite for pissed off) with the Bush Administration's behavior regarding Iraq. Nonetheless, I have friends who have been there whom I worry for and am kind of proud of. They have the difficult job of trying to make good of an effed up situation. So it's a tough position to sit in because the military is doing good things as good as they can, but they should have never been put in that situation.<br><br>Anyhow, I suppose that my point is that a debate about whether or not America is trying to, or accomplishing good things in Iraq (with the exception of Abu Ghraib) is not a debate at all because we are probably agreed all around. But a debate about the conditions, purposes, and comparative virtue of our entrance into Iraq, or the Bush Administration's management of the whole process is the real barn-burner.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>

Thanks for your even tempered response. <br><br>I'm pretty touchy about supporting our men and women over there and don't like it when something minimizes their sacrifice.<br><br>But to your last statement, it's a never ending debate, really. Nobody has changed their position on it, that I know of. As for me, the deed has been done. Debating about it after the fact won't accomplish much. It's just a passtime.<br><br>