No problem... I'm always looking for common ground.<br><br>As to the ongoing-ness of the debate though, I think it is still relevant today. Sure, a lot of it is just people like me still pissed off and wanting to complain, but there have been a lot of administration actions to fan our fires. Look at the promotions and retentions of Alberto Gonzales, Donald Rumsfeld, and Condi Rice, and John Bolton. None of these people have been held responsible for some indefensible failures in the administration, but instead got promotions. I think that's something worth getting upset about.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>

There we part ways. I won't white wash (I'm not racists ) the things that have happened that I disagree with, but considering what's been accomplished while putting up with the Dems, Libs, and out right lies of the slanted media, I belive the administration did a great job. <br><br>

You have to remember that Iraq did have WOMD. And the US knew they had them becaue they kept the receipts from the time of sale. Interestingly enough, Saddam was able to dispose of those weapons before the inspections who knows where. Maybe he gave them to the Russians? Well, that doesn't really matter. The idea is that the US sold them the WOMD and then blamed them for having such weapons. Interesting strategy....<br><br>_________________________________________<br>Just a different kinda geek...

that's a twist. <br>Haven't you said in other posts Iraq never had WMD's?<br><br>Now you're saying they did have them? <br><br>Smoke'n those Moose hair cigs again, huh?<br><br>

I don't mean to belabor the point here, but really?<br><br>Let's start from the top. The Bush Administration initially took money away from Afghanistan (where special forces were chasing Osama bin Laden) to prepare for Iraq in contradiction of Congress's budget supplement. Then they relied heavily on mis-information from Ahmed Chalabi and sent in too few American troops, against the advice of Colin Powel (the only senior Administration official with military command experience) and General Shinseki, resulting in a violent occupation. Donald Rumsfeld later infamously declared you "go to war with the army you have" in response to complaints that the military was under-prepared. They awarded out millions in contracts to companies (such as Haliburton) who either pocketed or "lost" the money.<br><br>I'll just stop there because I think it makes my point. All in all, our men and women in Iraq have had to deal with all this. I would never argue that they do a bad job. I would however decry the administration for putting them through all of this so poorly and avoiding responsibility for their disastrous decisions.<br><br>Ughhhh.... I'm getting all worked up now. Let's talk about something else. <br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>

no, skul - they told me this last summer, a few months before the election - the invasion was well over with then - NO one was at risk.<br>If they'd told me before the invasion we all could be in Federal Pen.<br><br>Don't know if they still could get in trouble - probably so with as vindictive and tyrannical this administration is. But they know I'll never divulge their names.<br><br>BTW there were a few dozen here at CDC who were told - their jobs required it.- they had deadlines to meet. That is why they were told.<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

"Ughhhh.... I'm getting all worked up now. Let's talk about something else"<br><br>I just got my first batch of DVD's from Netflix. Took darn long enough! I rented the animated Clone Wars because of the good reviews other gave here, but I wasn't all that impressed. It was mostly battles and light saber fights. eh...<br><br>I also rented Formula 51. I could tell they wanted it to be like Snatch or Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. They missed the mark by a loooooooong shot.<br><br>

Good clip!<br><br>****************<br>

no comment about those knowing 18 months befiore the invasion it was "On" ?<br><br> Skul... I swear it's true... <br><br>one was a Bush supporter in 2000. I didn't ask how he voted in 2004. Not my business.<br><br>kinda blows GW's excuses doesn't it! ?<br><br>David (OFI)<br>

The question is, where have you been?<br><br>Daily living conditions in Iraq dismal, UN survey finds<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>12 May 2005 – Daily living conditions in Iraq are dismal, with families suffering from intermittent water and electricity supply, chronic malnutrition among children and more illiterate young than ever before, a new report by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and the Iraqi Government shows.<p><hr></blockquote><p>http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=14255&Cr=Iraq&Cr1=<br><br><br>Living conditions in Iraq 'tragic'<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>2004 Survey reveals 85% of Iraqi households lack stable electricity, 54% have access to clean water.<p><hr></blockquote><p>http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=13481<br><br><br><br><br>Conditions in Iraq Are Worse Than a Year Ago<br>Published July 2004<br><br>http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3125iraq_firsthand.html<br><br><br><br>And you talk about the sky falling, back up to 2002-2003. Don't tell me you've forgotten already. Yup real good job, alright. Just stay in your bomb shelter! <br><br><br>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info<br><br>