I was going to post this in Sam's thread but realized there may be some spoilers so I didn't want to PO anyone.<br><br>Some observations and questions (not necessarily about Episode III either).<br><br>I posted previously about being confused by the politics of SW so now it seems clearer. Palpatine engineered everything to bring about a war so he could build his clone army and take power. I'm still not sure how the politics of the first one played into that so I'll have to watch it again to see how it fits in.<br><br>Looking back to Episode V, Vader obviously knew Luke Skywalker's name but didn't know he was his son until the Emperor pointed it out. What, is Skywalker like Smith in their world?<br><br>Also, in Episode V, Yoda says to Obiwan "there is another" (potential savior), meaning Leia. Obiwan obviously knew about Leia so why did he have to be told?<br><br>They still didn't explain why Vader doesn't have the lightning zap like Sidious and Dooku and it wasn't because of brain damage like Pete suggested. Maybe it requires "real" hands and fingers. <br><br>I'm assuming the Storm Troopers from IV-VI are the renamed and still going Clone Army, but in white armor. Bobba Fett had to feel a little weird around them, knowing they (as well as he) were all cloned from his "dad." Maybe they opened up the gene pool later and cloned other guys.<br><br>3PO's memory was wiped but not R2's? Why not?<br><br>They wanted to hide Luke and Leia from the Emporer and Vader, so they put her with a high-profile Senator and he with family on Vader's home planet using the Skywalker name. Obviously, their witness relocation program needed some fine tuning.<br><br>In Episode V, when Vader realizes Padme gave birth, he also had to realize that Sidious lied to him when he claimed Vader had killed her. <br><br>Senator Organa's first wife must have died a couple of years later because the mother Leia claimed to remember in Episode VI obviously wasn't Padme. Unless the Force allows you to remember your own birth.<br><br>Boy, Obiwan could have saved the galaxy a lot of grief by finishing the job instead of walking away. Probably been more merciful to Anakin too. Maybe Sidious' new disciple would have been even worse.<br><br>They should have aged MacGregor more and made him look mid-40s. Otherwise the 20 years between III and VI weren't kind to him or Luke's Aunt and Uncle.<br><br>Yeah, I know it's asking a lot to think Lucas would have all the details worked out 25 years ago but it's still fun asking the questions.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Looking back to Episode V, Vader obviously knew Luke Skywalker's name but didn't know he was his son until the Emperor pointed it out. What, is Skywalker like Smith in their world?<p><hr></blockquote><p>No explanation other than the fact that Tatooine is a very distant planet and wasn't governed by the Republic. Perhaps far enough away that it didn't need to be hidden. Perhaps Vader's own feelings of Tatooine caused him to hide it's existence from himself.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Also, in Episode V, Yoda says to Obiwan "there is another" (potential savior), meaning Leia. Obiwan obviously knew about Leia so why did he have to be told?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Obi-Wan didn't realize that Leia was force sensitive like Luke was.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>They still didn't explain why Vader doesn't have the lightning zap like Sidious and Dooku and it wasn't because of brain damage like Pete suggested. Maybe it requires "real" hands and fingers.<p><hr></blockquote><p>While imposing, Vader lost most of himself and became a mere shell of the Jedi/Sith he could have been.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm assuming the Storm Troopers from IV-VI are the renamed and still going Clone Army, but in white armor. Bobba Fett had to feel a little weird around them, knowing they (as well as he) were all cloned from his "dad." Maybe they opened up the gene pool later and cloned other guys.<p><hr></blockquote><p>"Normal" people did join the Empire. I'm guessing the cloned troopers would have to be pushing 50 years old by Luke's time, so that makes no sense to have an army of aging men. Maybe that's why the Stormtroopers had such bad aim though.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>3PO's memory was wiped but not R2's? Why not?<p><hr></blockquote><p>Part of the plan, man. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>They should have aged MacGregor more and made him look mid-40s. Otherwise the 20 years between III and VI weren't kind to him or Luke's Aunt and Uncle.<p><hr></blockquote><p>He did look in his early to mid 40s...<br><br><br>The more I think about it, the more I like this movie. Not for the content as much as for the idea of everything behind it.

[color:blue]They wanted to hide Luke and Leia from the Emporer and Vader, so they put her with a high-profile Senator and he with family on Vader's home planet using the Skywalker name. Obviously, their witness relocation program needed some fine tuning.</font color=blue><br><br>IMO;<br>Vader knew about Leia but he did not know about the twins separated at birth scenario. Simply Leia was the first born and eldest to Luke. So it makes sense to hide Leia with a powerful Senator that can protect her = Luke was hidden with a Uncle with the same family name as Skywalker <-- if I remember that correctly ?<br><br>[color:blue]Looking back to Episode V, Vader obviously knew Luke Skywalker's name but didn't know he was his son until the Emperor pointed it out. What, is Skywalker like Smith in their world?</font color=blue><br><br>Same reason above - plus yes with space travel so available to different planets them Smiths can really get around - sure hate to see the size of the Phone Books<br><br>[color:blue]Also, in Episode V, Yoda says to Obiwan "there is another" (potential savior), meaning Leia. Obiwan obviously knew about Leia so why did he have to be told?</font color=blue><br><br>If I remember the scene correctly ?<br>Obiwan knew about Leia but he did not know that the "Force was with her"<br>Yoda knew that Leia was capable because he could feel her in the "Force" for some reason Obiwan could not and to him that meant that she was not a potential savior<br><br>

We are close to agreement.<br><br>However;<br>[color:blue]"Normal" people did join the Empire. I'm guessing the cloned troopers would have to be pushing 50 years old by Luke's time, so that makes no sense to have an army of aging men. Maybe that's why the Stormtroopers had such bad aim though.</font color=blue><br><br>Sorta like todays labor force, nobody wants the low paying jobs.<br>So makes sense the old "Storming the Castle" jobs were "cloned out" honestly who would wanna do that job ? Management was all volunteers.<br><br>[color:blue]3PO's memory was wiped but not R2's? Why not?</font color=blue><br><br>Simply 3POs was a Intel processor running a no name drive<br>R2s was a Power PC G5 running a Seagate warp drive <br><br>

Uhhh... saw it last night. Didn't Luke make it outta the womb first? So technically HE was firstborn and oldest, not Leia.<br><br>How do you get that Vader knew about Leia and not Luke? <br><br>How do you get that Vader "figured out Palpatine lied to him about Padme's death"? She died on the table.<br><br>-------<br>Aren't you a little old for post-modern nostalgic irony?

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>3PO's memory was wiped but not R2's? Why not?<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Vader built 3PO. Who knows if he could access his memory? Also, 3PO might blab. R2D2 can't talk.<br><br><br>

Also, don't forget C3PO is gay, where as R2D2 is straight. <br><br>

[color:blue]How do you get that Vader knew about Leia and not Luke?</font color=blue><br><br>The episode opens with the capture of Leia first - the attack on Luke's uncle farm was much later. Still Vader did not make the twin connection at that time, he was just hunting down all Jedi, hence the attack on the Skywalker Farm - ever wonder why Storm troopers simply did not steak out the farm until Luke showed up ? Besides at that time Luke was not yet trained as a Jedi, just had the family heritage.<br><br>Did I remember that correct or do I need to Rent the Frigging episodes again ? ?<br><br>

Vader suspected that the plans to the deathstar were loaded into a droid. The ST's checked out the escape pods and discovered one with droid tracks. They followed the droid tracks which lead them to the big Jawa Dune Crawler. Not sure if they destroyed the Skywalker Farm or Dune Crawler first in their hunt for the droids, but they were not aware of Luke's existance - though it is odd that Vader didn't detect a disturbance in the force when he was in orbit over Tatooine, that he later did detect in the Death Star.<br><br>Truth is a 3 edged sword.

So next question: How is it that Leia was a "Princess" when her adopted father was just a Senator? <br><br>-------<br>Aren't you a little old for post-modern nostalgic irony?