We're all to blame.<br>I hear murmers of street riots on CSPAN in the morning.<br>Can't blame em'<br>there is a way, that'd be nationwide boycott of ignorance<br>oh and their goods, basically the way they did in Ukraine would have to be <br>done here, professionals would have to set up shop, go to jail<br>and repeat the process... meaning, ahhh fuggetbout it<br><br>our comfort zone is good for another generation<br>I'm guessing<br>just like the evacuation of the casa blanca<br>they're all so paranoid and guessing<br><br>IMHO<br><br>fer shytes sake<br>they've gone from abortion and the bible<br>to your bankruptcy and insurance hikes on the house...<br>healthcare, yeah right, that's was shat on by the evangelicals waaaay back<br><br>: P<br><br>
That makes sense, but think about it in the converse. It's not necessarily our prerogative to solve every problem of the poor, but it is our prerogative to stop doing whatever it is we are doing that makes the whole system unfair. There's no victimology in that approach, just a willingness to look at what is going wrong.<br><br>Education is always going to be the great (un)equalizer. You are right that you can't fix any situation so long as people are unwilling to take advantage of your solutions. However, inequalities in education begin in the funding mechanism. Throwing money at administrations is not going to get the job done because problems in education and problems with poverty go hand in hand.<br><br>Anyhow, what we are talking about here is multifaceted and extremely pervasive. We shouldn't simplify this problem down to faux-solutions that don't really have a direct link to specific instances of racism. It doesn't take a genius though to look at the funding mechanisms of schools in urban and suburban areas (Chicago is a great example) and realize that there is something extremely wrong.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>
About the last portion of your post... that kind of mentality is actually working in San Francisco where they took almost all of their welfare money and put it into social programs, housing, and job training. It ends up having a much higher success rate than the old welfare program. The hard part is that more chronically homeless are going to San Francisco because of the success there, but that's not surprising... every town likes to send their homeless out west.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>The hard part is that more chronically homeless are going to San Francisco because of the success there, but that's not surprising... every town likes to send their homeless out west.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well, it's a lot easier to be homeless in a warm climate than on lower Wacker Drive.<br><br>I live in a small city that's basically a microcosm of a large city. Racially mixed with all the problems that big cities face, including gangs, both black and hispanic, gunfire, knives and all the folly that keeps our hospital emergency room busy. One might say we have the same disadvantages of a large city without having the perceived advantages. However, we do not have urban and suburban schools. Everyone goes to the same schools, some of which even have day care centers for the students babies. Overall, the schools are good ones but there's an ongoing discussion of why some groups do better than others (primarily why so many blacks do so poorly). It's simple, these kids don't have parents and no amount of money spent at the school level will change this when they are more interested in their pimping, drug dealing and bling bling. And I don't have to go far to see this on the streets.<br><br>I went to school in this system long before it had daycare centers and long before the civil rights movement. Most of my black classmates did just fine in life, from professionals to autoworkers to artists. The difference is that they had parents who cared. What I see now indicates that Walter Williams is correct.<br><br>Oh, one other thing. Keep your dam Chicagoans out of my town. The cops have to spend to much time arresting them.<br><br>
_________________________ Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson
See we can find agreement. Parents are much more important than teachers. Teachers are not underpaid. Teachers don't make much of a difference in the end. They might prod this student or that student, but the parents and peers make so much more of a difference as things now stand in the inner cities.<br><br>But, you guys are way overstating the drug dealer issue. The number of drug dealers in any particular high school is very low. It's even less in the middle and grade schools. Yet, these kids still have similar issues of failure. Perhaps it's time to change the curriculum for our diverse and varied populations. Maybe teachers could make a difference if they had better stuff to teach.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Teachers are not underpaid.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And you came from what quadrant of what galaxy? Jebus, mon, for someone who brags about how often you read the NYTimes, you talk like only the Walgreens FSI sunk in!<br><br>Yup, those teachers are just a bunch of overpaid crybabies. Worse than pro athletes even! <br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But, you guys are way overstating the drug dealer issue. The number of drug dealers in any particular high school is very low.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Who said anything about drug dealing "in" schools?<br><br>
_________________________ Old farts, the hidden caulk of civilization. Jim Atkinson
Well maybe not Randy Moss or Terrel Owens! <br><br>Truth is a 3 edged sword.
_________________________ I used to think it was terrible that life was unfair. Then I thought what if life were fair and all of the terrible things that happen came because we really deserved them? Now I take comfort in the general unfairness and hostility of the universe.
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>It's simple, these kids don't have parents and no amount of money spent at the school level will change this when they are more interested in their pimping, drug dealing and bling bling.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Pimping and Drug dealing, neither of which are often associated with the girls, yet they fail just as poorly. And, perhaps kids get interested in those other things because schools are not teaching them skills they find important. Like I said, the curriculum has to change. We are in the information age and we're teaching for the industrial age. Factories are headed overseas yet we still train kids to prepare for work in the factors. Our schools are in a shambles and teachers need to be responsible for bringing about change, yet most of them just go through the same motions that their teachers taught them. Why? They need to start being the change they want to see. But, No Child Left Behind (NCLB) is hampering progress. <br><br>Steve I don't think teachers are underpaid but I don't think they are paid well either. I think I make less than many teachers and I wish I made more but the market is such that this is the salary I can get right now. Some day, I hope to make more on my own, but I have to get out of the hole and start building some savings before I even think about that. Anywho, some teachers may do it for the love and that's admirable, but many do it for the summers off and getting done at 3:30 each day and so on. Teachers only work 9 or 10 months and get a decent salary for having summers off to relax or get another paying job. Of course their job is important, but parents, parents, parents are the key. That's the truth. <br><br>Now, if you want to look at getting better teachers into the field then they have to start paying better. But better teachers can't do much better if they still teach the sh!tty curriculum they teach now. <br><br>I am all for personal responsibility when everything else is equal, but I think Kojak gets it right in his post about attacking the root causes before things get to the personal levels.<br><br>
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