This is probably a strange question, but it's one that I'm puzzling through now, and have been for some time. This is it: why do we spend time posting to forums like this one. I don't mean forums in which we ask for and/or supply help, but ones like the Lounge here, or its equivalent on other boards.<br><br>I hope you don't think that the question is prompted by the various threads that have appeared this week end that have, in one way or another, represented the viciousness that's possible among posters, although clearly they've brought the question to a head.<br><br>One obvious reason is that I, for one, have "met" a lot of very nice, interesting, intelligent, witty people, whom I'd invite to my house for a get-together in a heartbeat. I've shared some very good, happy moments, and some profoundly sad, tragic ones with those folks.<br><br>On the other hand, I've also come across people who, were the web real life, I'd avoid completely, but can't in this cyberspace we share because there they are—there's no avoiding them, period, even in a selective reading of threads.<br><br>My non-cyber life is pretty full. I have a great wife and kid, lots of friends, a job that would consume all of my time if I wanted it to, civic responsibilities and social engagements that make my week sometimes a struggle to get through, because there's so much to do. And that life has the advantage, if you will, that I can and have insulated myself completely from people whom I find impossible to get along with.<br><br>But despite the weekly overbooking, and despite the impossibility of avoiding unpleasantness and sometimes plain old nastiness, I find the time to come to the Lounge, and usually enjoy doing so thoroughly.<br><br>I imagine that what I've said applies to all of us who come here or to other boards.<br><br>Does it? In any case, why do you come here? What brings you here? What keeps you coming?<br><br><br>Great wits are sure to madness near allied.--John Dryden, "Absalom and Achitophel"<br>
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First of all I live in an area where there are very few Mac users. It was like heaven to find places I could talk about Macs with like-minded folks. Then I started becoming friends with them. I also do not have much opportunity to travel and I enjoy hearing how life in other areas of the world compareas. And what else is out there besides my own environment. <br>I can travel lots of places. I have always loved to read about these things, but to actually be able to talk to others who have "been dere, done dat" is fascinating. <br>I know people like the portraying themselves as something they are not on the internet, but this is one place I feel I can truely let my hair down and be myself. <br>I have never learned so much by having so much fun.<br><br>When it comes to a pissing match - apathy wins.<br>
As a part of the Emm See refugee influx way back then, I found the gathering of fellow exiles to be a heady and fun experience. There was an enthusiasm and joie de vivre that had been missing in the 'other' forum.<br><br>Then the enthusiasm waned and one by one, most of the refugees returned to Emm See, myself included. I have given the Lounge at MacCentral a pretty good shot but I have found myself gravitating back to MacMinute more and more. It just feels more like home to me.<br><br>I like the people here, many of whom still frequent the Lounge at MCF, and I prefer the silliness and mindless banter over the repetitious party political discourse I see often at MCF. But that's just me.<br><br>And here I feel I can post pretty much what I want to and know that although others may disagree, in general they'll say it with reason and good humor. I find that increasingly rare at MC.<br><br>But I should add that I still post to the odd thread at MC news and the GD (ironically enough) and mostly I get rational responses when I do.<br><br>To me, this Lounge is a nicer place to be than that Lounge and I know it's totally subjective. Maybe some day I'll feel I can post over there again. Right now, I don't feel inclined to do so.<br><br>
I enjoy both places (forums). My nights consist of my honey falling asleep while watching tv. I sit here and surf the web and frequenting Mac forums to gather as much knowledge as I can. I come back to this forum cause....are you ready...hehe....sing along....everybody knows my name. It's like frequenting the neighborhood bar (in which I don't) and meet your friends after a hard day at work to chit chat and laugh. I think there is a great group of friends here, but I also feel I have a great group of friends at MC.<br><br><br>
I enjoyed all the forums over at MC for a long time before I jumped into the Lounge (at the time it was called the General Discussion Forum). Then, for a long time I would make the GD/Lounge forum a "first stop" for posting. When MC split the GD forum up into GD and the Lounge as separate forums, I found that it got very very crowded.<br><br>I came over here at the request of NTO1 - he said it was a nice quiet place. I gave it a shot but at the time there was hardly anyone here. Slowly, more people from MC came over and the traffic picked up enough that I started coming here first because it was easier to follow what you all were doing with your life and it just seemed more personal, because there was a lot less to keep track of.<br><br>I have made MM my primary home not because I don't like the political threads (although that is part of it), but because I just feel closer to the other members here. <br><br>With the exception of Alec (Mississauga), I didn't feel like I knew much about anyone at MC, I didn't feel like I was a "friend" to anyone. That's nothing personal againsta anyone, since most of you I've known from MC, but he was the only one that I went out of my way to keep up with PMs and e-mail. This was because we had this constant back & forth conversation in nearly every thread we posted in. There are just so many people at MC, it was difficult to really get to know more than one or two people.<br><br>Since coming here, I feel like I know a little more about everyone here - which carries over to MC as well. I guess it was just easier here due to the lower traffic.<br><br>I still post over at MC in most of the forums - although I have cut way back on posts in the Lounge - simply because most of the people I really enjoy chatting with are here.<br><br>I think both places are great... and I will continue to post to both websites. If I had to choose between them, I would choose whichever all of you chose to go to.<br><br>[color:red] Kiss My Banana!</font color=red>
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That last sentence is the nicest thing I've seen posted. Right back atcha. I have made treasured friends at both places, but am really enjoying the company here...now.<br><br>When it comes to a pissing match - apathy wins.<br>
I still call MCF home but I'm with Gizmo in that I am starting to feel left out there. It doesn't have the same cozy feeling as here. You all may laugh at me for this but somehow I feel free to posts my feelings, ideas and questions here. For some odd reason I always felt intimidated to ask anything at MCF. I consider MM as place to come and let loose, have fun. I haven't given up on MC though. There are some folks there that I enjoy and I'm hoping things will change soon there.<br><br><br><br>
"My non-cyber life is pretty full. I have a great wife and kid, lots of friends, a job that would consume all of my time if I wanted it to, civic responsibilities and social engagements that make my week sometimes a struggle to get through, because there's so much to do. And that life has the advantage, if you will, that I can and have insulated myself completely from people whom I find impossible to get along with."<br><br>yes, but this "life" can be turned on and off whenever you feel the urge...and, you don't have to worry about having that one couple over who like to stay about an hour longer than you'd like. <br><br>i started at MC in about 1998 as a place to have my mac questions answered. there was a poster back then named joshua thorpe who was very similar to a ron clark/macmatt112, but with a LOT more immaturity. i lived in a very liberal college town at the time and didn't encounter anyone in my daily life who espoused similar viewpoints. i was intrigued and started a dialogue with him just to see if he was for real (i was in my late 20's at the time and had grown up a bit sheltered). anyway, i started enjoying testing my own beliefs on things and realizing that my understanding of an issue was sometimes very easy to counter and that i'd have to delve a little more deeply into a particular topic to get beyond the surface-level you hear in a 20 minute crossfire episode...i began to ask myself "why?" and to do a little more research into myself. well, joshua's immaturity caused him to get banned, but there have been others to fill that void. anyway, i just appreciated the forum for providing me with a chance to feel like i am growing as a person even if some people think the content is frivolous or a waste of time. since that time, we have moved to perhaps the most conservative community in the united states. stark contrast. now, i look more to the forums as my social network of friends since my best friends, beyond my immediate family, are all many hours away. <br><br>i am one of the original members of this forum coming over at the request of kate "ethel" sorenson. i always appreciated stan and figured i'd give this place a shot -- for nothing else, just to show my support to him. it was pretty much on again / off again for the longest time until the split at MC. i avoided the lounge at MC for a while after the split, but this place didn't pick up like i wanted after that initial tidal wave. i've kept both places on my most viewed list since then. <br><br>here's how i see things as they currently stand. MC made a mistake of splitting the general discussion into two and making the lounge. when the lounge and mac talk were combined in one general discussion, we always had a much better self-policing movement afloat and (beside the "lost weekend" -- which i avoided) almost always kept politics at bay enough that most people enjoyed a little of this and a little of that. i remember being proud that i wouldn't start a political thread, but i often participated in them if someone else had "the nerve." now, they have multiplied exponentially (okay, that's a bit of a stretch). i think the split is partly responsible because it suddenly made politics part of the "anything goes" in the lounge -- nobody felt guilty starting a politics thread. fine...i didn't want a split and still don't appreciate it, but i am not bitter. that being said, i think there is another equally large force causing the increase in politics on the forum...2000...the changing of the tide. from maccentral's start, bill clinton was in power and the generally liberal crowd had "that" to hold over any naysayers. the election of 2000, with all of its quarks, really changed the tone. suddenly, the liberals (me included) had something to whine about...we felt wronged -- and it was by a guy many of us felt couldn't put a complete sentence together -- "oh, the madness...the unjustice...oh woes me." . this created a bad taste for many (i am sure clinton did as well, but conservatives are in the minority). anyway, the tide changed and the forum split and you see the repercussions.<br><br>i should stop there, but...<br><br>back in the mid 90's, i was in graduate school and enjoying life. i had some friends who were "alternative" and a gal i liked who was part of the "preppie" crowd. i used to frequent bars with her and also with them. as much as the two crowds were different, they were very much the same. if a "preppie" showed up at the replay lounge (altertive hangout), he would be ostracized. people would make snide comments and give him bad looks, etc. it didn't wash. at the yatch club (preppie hangout - duh!), the same was true...someone dressed in grunge would get stares and comments, etc. as much as one group was better than the other, they really were just two sides to the same coin. that's how i see the two forums that i frequent. MC and MM are not really that far apart...one just has many more members, which can multiply any perceived problems. most of the time, i enjoy it all. when i don't, i go away for a day or so...it's easy to just turn you off and that's part of the appeal. <br><br>[color:blue] -sean</font color=blue>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>MC and MM are not really that far apart...<p><hr></blockquote><p>Good point. In fact, if you had the time or desire to look back, I think you would find that all the MC people that came over here after the forum split were "forum friends" over at MC for a long time. I know I pretty much followed Carp, Alec, MikeB, SteveG, Mach, NTO1, Marg and a few others here because, well, this is where they were going. They are the same people here as they were/are over there, but here - they stand out more. These are the folks I enjoyed chatting with the most, and I wanted to be wherever they were. That is not to say that there weren't many more over at MC that I enjoyed, that is why I visit both.<br><br>I too enjoyed Stans work on the news page of MM. As soon as I found MM, I started using it as my main news source & have ever since.<br><br>[color:red] Kiss My Banana!</font color=red>
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For me, one of the most amazing things of the internet is the chance to meet people from all over the world. I'm fascinated to have known Waleed Alzuhair, from Bahrein -for example-, and I pay attention to his posts triying to understand how a person from such a different culture is.<br>I don't have a "virtual" and a "real" life, this is part of my life too. I have a poster of the mosaic in front of me, the CD and the postcards... Would you call it "virtual"?<br><br>
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