I have now been living, and attempting to make a living in So. Florida for about 10 months. The only thing I've gained is the knowledge that professionalism is a dirty word here.<br><br>From companies paying below industry standard salaries (the standard here is 30% less than NYC, but the reality is 50%), to contract labor getting screwed on a daily basis, to utter lack of respect and professional courtesy, this area has proven to be the most hostile and unrewarding work environment I've ever encountered!<br><br>If an employer makes you an offer and you accept, they immediately try to drop the offer before you can sign anything. If you're freelance, and they ask you for an estimate, they want it cut in half. If you agree, they sit on the estimates for months and don't return your calls. If they make an appointment, they either show up an hour late with no explanation, or don't show up at all! And if you swallow your pride and do a job for half what it's worth, they expect extra work or favors at no charge.<br><br>It's gotten so disappointing and so frustrating that I'm putting my house on the market and will attempt to return to NYC this summer, where people actually return your calls.<br><br>But wait. Had appointments yesterday to interview a couple of realtors. One showed up on time. The other called 10 minutes after her time to say she had to reschedule. No reason given! Like I should expect otherwise? <br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Like I should expect otherwise?<p><hr></blockquote><p>One of the first things I noted after I moved back to MInnesota from Flagstaff was the generally high quality of the people I deal with, whether it be a store clerk, a tradesman, or a professional. They all seemed happy and eager to help.<br><br>In Flag, a lot of the merchants didn't seem to realize that they had built a freeway down to Phoenix and didn't feel the need to provide other than mediocre service. (Not that Phoenix was any great improvement, either.)<br><br>I understand one of the first things they teach in the top business schools isbe on time!<br><br>Besides, it'll be nice for you to get away from all that heat, humidity, and hurricanes. Good luck! <br><br>
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Loc: Yuba City, California
When you were earning a living in NYC did you belong to any professional associations or unions? If you did that might explain the professional level of treatment you received. I don't know. I know florida, like my own state of Arizona, are Right To Work states and there is an unprofessional level of work ethic that permeates the minds of business people.<br><br>WIthout looking I can imagine that Florida's unemployment figures are probably some of the highest in the country, am I right? I know it is in AZ. In the county where I live unemployment is 19 percent!<br><br>There is a mindset in some business people here in AZ that leads to abuse and discrimination. Because there are no unions to keep them in check, there's no accountability. No "big brother" if you will, overseeing common sense and decency and protecting the rights of the workforce. The attitudes of a few of the business leadership in my town is if you don't like it here, quit, there are twenty people waiting in line for your job. <br><br>If you're desperate, have a family to support, or have gone through several jobs before landing the one you're at, you'll take the abuse and low wages with a smile.<br><br>I'm happy to hear you'll return to NYC Steve. You've probably felt out of place and isolated since you moved to Florida. I realize your move to florida was precipitated by very personal reasons and now that you've had time to evaluate your situation maybe your decision to move back was also precipitated by very personal reasons.<br><br>Good luck Steve.<br><br>
Unions don't have much of a foothold here, so you're spot on with that comment. I do belong to the Ad Federation down here. Registered the first week I was here, and I display the logo on the front page of my site and on my letterhead.<br><br>The ad biz here is weak in general. Real estate is THE hot market in So. Fla, so most of the agencies have several RE, developer, and resort clients. And retail automotive is another biggie! Screaming sheisters in plaid suits all over the local TV stations, so the level of creative excellence is not very satisfying. And zero strategy. Just run through walls to please the client.<br><br>There are a couple of good creative shops in Miami, like Crispin Porter Bogusky, and Beber Silverstien, but they also pay doo-doo, and they want only 20- and 30-somethings with wrinkled shirts and no lives. <br><br>
Loc: Alpharetta, GA
" . . . they want only 20- and 30-somethings with wrinkled shirts and no lives."<br><br>Yeah, but you get to go to parties, act all hip and superior, and brag about awards no one's ever heard of to people who really don't give a sh!t. That's worth missing a few house payments, isn't it?<br><br>
C'mon Steve, you're not taking those 'spec' jobs? (the kind where they say "thanks, you're a talented guy but it doesn't work for us", then they'll send your PDF to a copy-store guy who will alter it slightly and print 10,000 copies... then you find out a year later that the copy-store guy won an Addy for it?) Who needs Florida douchebags when you can find that mentality everywhere!<br><br>
Loc: Yuba City, California
Yeah, those are the people alright! <br><br>That's another reason why I stopped doing Work for Hire. <br><br>The creative one's, the one's who are original, the one's who can create something from nothing, or bring a collection of obscure, disparate pieces together and arrange them in a fashion that makes a light go off in ones head, never get the credit they deserve.<br><br>
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