I see the winky now <br><br>

or perhaps I should explain my [winky] this way - <br><br>People that complain there will be worsening environment left for their children are in an ironic way contributing to the problem by having children in the first place. Considering it's Human activity that's causing the problem in the first place.<br><br><br>I wasn't advocating anything, I don't have children to be left with the worsening environment. At the same time, I'm not contributing the problem. Interesting how that works.<br><br>So really this is a problem for the parents to figure out themselves and advocate a solution.<br><br>

i knew you were kidding and i knew i was kidding. obviously, without the winky, you likely thought i was serious even though the writing itself didn't need a winky to see it was obviously outrageous. that being said, i don't get the humor of your bolded parts other than you were attempting to be funny.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Makes me think you've lost your marbles thinking everything has to be about pre-emptive war and eminent threats. Even hunting down links to show that India and China think they have overpopulation problems.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>i was taking a shot at the dubya administration for their pre-emptive war and i think you're smart enough to know it . . . but you support the president and you'd never admit that you could find humor in his big mistake in the middle east because you've spent far too many hours defending it over the years. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

here are the recommendations in the article from the thousands of scientists:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>• Remove subsidies to agriculture, fisheries and energy sources (such as fossil fuels) that harm the environment.<br><br>• Pay landowners to manage property in ways that help the environment, such as storing carbon dioxide, which causes global warming.<br><br>• Use free-market incentives to reduce farm pollution and global-warming gas emissions.<br><br>• Protect more areas from development, especially in the oceans.<br><br>• Invest in cleaner technology for agriculture and energy use.<p><hr></blockquote><p>no recommendation for decreasing populations. population growth is unstoppable. it's how the current populations are treating the earth that can be altered to help fix the threat.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

Of course, over 20,000 qualified scientists, physicists, geologists and the like signed petitions against Kyoto stating dire predictions like these were false, but who's counting right? :)<br><br>Are these thousands of scientists like those "500" Al Gore used.. many of whom werent even qualified to make such assessments, and most of those who were actually went and signed the above petition? :D<br><br>I wonder what Bjorn Lumborg will be able to discern with this data...<br><br>

i am not sure about the previous scientists, but i'd guess that they chose to join together out of similar interests (thus, the ease with which they are criticized). this current study was commissioned by the UN and some other groups. more on the report can be found here: <a href="http://www.maweb.org/en/Article.aspx?id=58">http://www.maweb.org/en/Article.aspx?id=58</a><br><br>funny, but one of the key funders of this study was the world bank (that's what paul wolfowitz is taking over). here's a snippet if you don't feel like clicking the link:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> The Millennium Ecosystem Assessment (MA) Synthesis Report is the first in a series of seven synthesis and summary reports and four technical volumes that assess the state of global ecosystems and their impact on human well-being. This report is being released together with a statement by the MA board of directors entitled “Living beyond Our Means: Natural Assets and Human Well-being.”<br><br>The four-year assessment was designed by a partnership of UN agencies, international scientific organizations, and development agencies, with guidance from the private sector and civil society groups. Major funding is provided by the Global Environment Facility, the United Nations Foundation, the David and Lucile Packard Foundation, and The World Bank. The MA Secretariat is coordinated by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).<br><br>The MA is recognized by governments as a mechanism to meet part of the assessment needs of four international environmental treaties – the UN Convention on Biological Diversity, the Ramsar Convention on Wetlands, the UN Convention to Combat Desertification, and the Convention on Migratory Species. It is supported by 22 of the world’s leading scientific bodies, including The Royal Society of the U.K. and the Third World Academy of Sciences. <br><br>The MA’s work is overseen by a 45-member board of directors, co-chaired by Dr. Robert Watson, chief scientist of The World Bank, and Dr. A. H. Zakri, director of the United Nations University’s Institute of Advanced Studies. The Assessment Panel, which oversees the technical work of the MA, includes 13 of the world’s leading social and natural scientists. It is co-chaired by Angela Cropper of the Cropper Foundation, and Dr. Harold Mooney of Stanford University. Dr. Walter Reid is the director of the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment.<p><hr></blockquote><p>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>i was taking a shot at the dubya administration for their pre-emptive war and i think you're smart enough to know it . . . but you support the president and you'd never admit that you could find humor in his big mistake in the middle east because you've spent far too many hours defending it over the years. <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>I guess I just don't get your sense of humor. Big mistake in the middle east? I guess we don't share the same opinion either.<br><br>

the fact that you don't get the humor is probably for the better . . . my original intent was for serious discussion on a topic that is serious. sorry it deteriorated.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

ok,<br><br>all joking aside<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br>here are the recommendations in the article from the thousands of scientists:<br><br>• Remove subsidies to agriculture, fisheries and energy sources (such as fossil fuels) that harm the environment.<br><br>• Pay landowners to manage property in ways that help the environment, such as storing carbon dioxide, which causes global warming.<br><br>• Use free-market incentives to reduce farm pollution and global-warming gas emissions.<br><br>• Protect more areas from development, especially in the oceans.<br><br>• Invest in cleaner technology for agriculture and energy use.<br><br><br>no recommendation for decreasing populations. population growth is unstoppable. it's how the current populations are treating the earth that can be altered to help fix the threat. <br><p><hr></blockquote><p>there will come a time when no matter what the population does, the population is just way to high to make a difference. Plus everybody wants to live forever so the bigger population will require more resources per person.<br><br>Oh the irony of humanity. To evolve to become the top of the food chain only to become it's own worst enemy by it's own behavior.<br><br>

i don't think there is any doubt that we'll be our own worst enemy if we aren't already. i look at the list of recommendations provided by the scientists and it just seems like a band-aid more than a solution. eventually, overpopulation is going to really start creating havoc for all. we'll just continue to have better and better technologies for better living yet the state of the planet will be slowly growing sour. ohhh, the humanity. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.