just out of curiosity . . . the average IQ in this country is 100 (50% of folks fall on either side of the imaginary line). people with an IQ below 70 (2 standard deviations below the mean) are labeled as being restarded; though, they only make up less than 3% of the population. what do you think of people with an IQ below 100? are they just "below average" or do you think they are stupid?<br><br>what do you think of people with an IQ between 100 and 110?<br><br>110 - 120?<br><br>120 +?<br><br><br><br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

IQ is a false premise for measuring anyones worth in society.<br><br>A high IQ does not equate to any reference to common sense. And in many areas I'd prefer someone with common sense, to someone who can think fast. Though personally I measure somewhere in the top 10% as measured by IQ, I had a number of school friends who could figure out what they needed to aim for in a game of darts many factors faster than I could - and for whom the Pythagorus had no application to their every day lives. Show them WHY they need to learn something and they have the ability to learn it.<br><br>You can see here, people making idiotic statements, drawing idiotic conclusions, or thinking someone elses values are idiotic.....I'm willing to guess that very few of the members here actually have a sub-70 IQ though!<br><br>

I could never actually tell anyone's IQ. I typically judge people on how they treat others and their attitude on life.<br><br><br>

do you think many folks with below average IQ have above average common sense abilities? hold on, before we go off on that tangent, let me reign in the discussion . . . i believe that common sense is a subset of intelligence. IQ is just a social construct for how we try and measure intelligence, but common sense falls under the umbrella of intelligence regardless of whether it's included in any IQ measures. i didn't mean to focus on IQ "scores" as much as i was trying to get at intelligence in general for the discussion. i only mentioned IQ because it's easy to study and to report on and discuss, etc. <br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You can see here, people making idiotic statements, drawing idiotic conclusions, or thinking someone elses values are idiotic.....I'm willing to guess that very few of the members here actually have a sub-70 IQ though!<p><hr></blockquote><p>i agree with that. i doubt you'll find many people in any online community with a below 70 IQ because those individuals tend to lack the basic literacy skills required to participate. and, we'll probably find folks with a high intelligence who make blunders from time to time where they look like big dummies. but, in general, we will find that people in one particular intelligence category are going to behave or exhibit behaviors similar to others in the same category. is it okay to label folks and what label do they get?<br><br>i am not sure where i am going with this, but i just found my <a href="http://harcourtassessment.com/haiweb/Cultures/en-US/Products/Product+Detail.htm?CS_ProductID=015-8980-727&CS_Category=Adolescents&CS_Catalog=TPC-USCatalog">Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale®—Third Edition (WAIS®–III)</a> and got to thinking about IQ and perceptions related to IQ. i haven't used this assessment instrument in many years now.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

I can usually tell somenone's IQ really close to the actual #. <br><br>The IQ of a person depends on a lot of factors in life. From our birth to our death, all our brain does is connections over connections. This doesn't make one person smarter than another, just faster in the speed of life. Everyone thinks at a different speed but also lives a different amount of time for example. <br><br>Humans tend to average time and say that the same time applies to all people, when it really doesn't. If it takes me 1 second to figure out a problem and it takes someone else 3 seconds, am I faster than that person? No. What if I live only 10 years and that person lives 30? By the end of my lifetime I had a chance to accumulate just as much as the other person. I had a chance to make just as many links.<br><br>The IQ is just the speed of thinking at an average Human time. Yes, people that think faster within that time seem smarter, but they are only smarter than the average thinking in that average time.<br><br>The speed of thinking is just the speed that person sees life at. The brain processes all the senses at a certain speed, and those senses are actually what tell the brain what life is. People who think faster actually see life faster where people who think slower, see life slower. <br><br>One of humanities biggest mistake has been to average time, but then again, could humanity coexist without an average in time?<br><br>_________________________________________<br>Just a different kinda geek...

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Though personally I measure somewhere in the top 10% as measured by IQ<p><hr></blockquote><p>that means you have about a 118 - 119 IQ or above. <br><br>only 8.9% of the population is above 120.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

perhaps you don't do it formally, but you probably make a concerted effort to try and hang out with people who are on an intellectual level similar to yours. that's only natural. <br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>If it takes me 1 second to figure out a problem and it takes someone else 3 seconds, am I faster than that person? No. What if I live only 10 years and that person lives 30? By the end of my lifetime I had a chance to accumulate just as much as the other person. I had a chance to make just as many links.<p><hr></blockquote><p>you sound like you are trying to apply communism to intelligence.<br><br>--<br>Straw-man rhetorical techniques are the practice of refuting weaker arguments than one's opponents offer. 2 "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is 2 create a position easily refuted, then attribute that position to your opponent.

OK, maybe common sense is a tangent here. However, IQ is (as DJ pointed out) really a measure of speed of thought. And it is inaccurate in an overall measure. I know my comprehension (language) skills are slow, though I would guess that my logical abilities may very well be in the top 5% or better, and I have trained myself to recognise image coordination (or whatever they call the 3rd area of measurement). I vaguely recall a university study on image coordination, where a set of students was given that portion of the IQ test, and half of the test subjects were then given tetris to play for a period of time. When the students were retested it was found the tetris players showed a marked improvement in their test scores.<br><br>I think this shows that it is unlikely that IQ is a static score, we can train ourselves to improve in areas that we see are important to our lives. But that improvement is driven by our own personal drives. If we see merit in learning something, we will work towards improving our abilities in that area - for some it may be physical prowess, they will workout to build strength, agility and endurance, so that what they want to achieve takes them less effort as their abilities increase. The same is true mentally - I happen to be good at spacial coordination, trigonometry, and tactical processes (though I suck at playing chess, because I see no purpose to it in my everyday life). These skills happen to make me good at flying aircraft, however, physically it's an effort for me to climb on the wing of a cessna to check the fuel levels!<br><br>My other hobby is pen and paper role playing games (not these computer RPG's that are just a matter of deciding what parameters the developer programmed into the game). In my experience many RPG groups I have joined, the membership probably averages IQ120, however, I have played with players who's schooling level would indicate a low IQ score - yet in the areas of RPG skills, they are good at spacial coordination, (relatively simple) math and probability (odds) - since these are prime skills for the games in question, and they find the application of these skills "fun" and beneficial to learn to further their enjoyment......and the kicker is that they don't realise that they have these skills (that were so boring to learn in class).<br><br>I tend to view people less on what they score, and more on wasted potential of life. A school colleague with IQ in the 110-125 (guess), decided he wanted to be an hospital porter - he didn't want to be a scholar or in (what he considered) a high pressure job, yet he was kind and thoughtful, and used his mental prowess in other areas (phillosophy).<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>what do you think of people with an IQ between 100 and 110?<p><hr></blockquote><p>To sort of answer your original question without getting into all the other stuff, I don't really think anything about those people. <br><br>Certainly not to brag, but I always scored very high on IQ tests in school (I don't recall the number) and as such, always was placed in gifted classes. <br><br>As I've gotten older, I've come to realize that everyone contributes in society, regardless of intelligence or economic status. For instance, I might think I am smarter than the garbage man, but I couldn't do his job for a second. Yet, really, his job is more important than anything I might do, because sanitation is an essential building block of civilization. <br><br>Same thing with the guy running the McDonald's drive-thru. That's an important job. I just don't judge someone based on their perceived intelligence. <br><br>