He did and I do. The "nation" translation was incorrect as the analysis I linked to points out.<br>He did not mean "state" in context of a nation.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
Sean, I won't bother. I am very familiar with the "People voting for Bush are non-thinking while people voting for Kerry are thinking really really well." meme. Even though you claim the opposite your statements don't back that up. It's like when someone starts a sentence with "I don't mean to offend, but..." and proceeds to offend then are amazed when the recipient acts offened.<br><br>Like this:<br>"Now, i am not saying that the regular republicans aren't thinking, but perhaps most are not giving this any thought and are just going with the party line like most people in america and the guys who think about it switch to kerry."<br><br>I mean, the entire sentence contradicts itself. (Which goes right along with voting for Kerry )<br><br>Here is one more thing I believe. If Kerry wins you'll see as much rejoicing in the radical Muslim circles as we saw on 9/12 for much the same reason. It will be a terrorist victory over the US a la Spain.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
Do you take Limbaugh's position that a Kerry win will only happen because voters caved in to OBL's threat? A Kerry win is a win for the terrorsits? <br><br>Michael Savage has been saying a vote for a Kerry presidency is a vote for Radical Islamic fundamentalism. Forget democracy, you're voting for OBL and the terrorists. I guess Limbaugh and Savage just merged their audiences. <br><br>
Sean, I won't bother -- as you proceed to bother. <br><br>let me make this more clear because you're reading too much into this and it's not contradictory at all. i am not saying republicans are non thinking. in fact, i apply the same logic towards democrats, so i'll switch and use democrats for illustrative purposes and to decrease my chances of offending those who are trying to interpret too much.<br><br>i think that the average democrat who crosses over and supports dubya is probably putting more thought into this election than the average democrat who doesn't (there are exceptions both ways most likely). at least i can see the thought processes turned on for the democrat who changes his/her mind. as far as i can tell, the democrat who sticks with kerry could easily be just sticking with the party line as there's no evidence to say one way or the other. <br><br>i said no more than that.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
No, a Kerry win wouldn't be ONLY becuase voters caved to OBL threat. I think the majority of americans don't even know about the threat because it hasn't been covered.<br><br>But it's hypocitical to say one should take into account the US's current standing and credibility in the world when choosing a candidiate. In essense saying, you should think about how the world views us when making your choice. But when it comes to taking into account how those trying to attack and kill us, view us you should ignore that.<br><br>All I'm saying is take it ALL into account. The terrorists are watching this election to see how to react. It needs to be taken into account.<br><br>An appropriate response may be, "Well, the terrorists may think Kerry is weak and step up attacks but I know Kerry will respond with great force and make them re-think their perception so a Kerry is still a good choice." That's fine if that is how you see a Kerry presidency going. I just don't see it that way.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
I was saying I wasn't going to bother with the site for the poll or the testimonials from the military leaders. That's all. <br><br>And yes, you second point wasn't worded well at all. Your clarification makes it more clear. And I wasn't offended. I just take issue with people in general who in their minds have this kind of thought process (and I'm not referring to you, this is a general observation):<br>"I am smart" (nothing worng with being smart and thinking so).<br>"I hold this opinion"<br>"You have an opposite opinion"<br>"You therefore are not smart because smart people think like me."<br><br>Sometimes it looks like your posts come close to logic like that. But, it doesn't seem like something you really think so when I see words from you that look like that I like to call you out for clarifiaction. My memory tells me you always come through. I'm sure I can some across as the opposite on many occasions.<br><br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
Okay, I read your source's analysis.<br><br>From your source's translation:<br>===================<br>"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al-Qa'ida. Your security is in your own hands, and any U.S. state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." <br>==================<br>Your embellishment that this endorses voting specifically against Bush still doesn't fly with me. Kerry is cited as equally bad as Bush.<br><br>OBL does not imply whom to vote for, and both candidates have stated very plainly they will "destroy the terrorists".<br><br>Washington, DC will elect Kerry. Following the logic of that source's analysis, there is no way Al Qaeda will refrain from targets in DC just because it voted against Bush. Again, OBL cites Kerry as being just as bad. This says to me that the analysis that State = US State and not "Nation" is incorrect.<br><br>Finally, I don't see how your source can be deemed impartial when their own transcript states that both Kerry and Bush are unsafe choices, but they color the transcript with a headline saying (to paraphrase) "OBL threatens Bush voters".<br><br>The site smacks of a right-wing think-tank if you ask me. About as impartial as the site for "Project For The New American Century".<br><br>
i started to reply off topic and decided to start a new thread.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
I guess this is one General we can move to the Bush column from the Kerry column.<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>TAMPA, FL – Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf today issued the following statement:<br><br>"The Democratic National Committee is making fraudulent phone calls claiming that I have endorsed Senator Kerry. Nothing could be further from the truth, and I demand that they stop immediately.<br><br>"Senator Kerry opposed the Reagan defense build-up that won the Cold War. Senator Kerry opposed the removal of Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. Senator Kerry proposed billions in intelligence cuts after the first attack on the World Trade Center. Senator Kerry voted against funds to equip our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with supplies like body armor and ammunition.<br><br>"I am supporting President Bush for reelection, because he is the candidate who has demonstrated the conviction needed to defeat terrorism. In contrast to the President's steadfast determination to defeat our enemies, Senator Kerry has a record of weakness that gives me no confidence in his ability to fight and win the War on Terror. His attempt to make up for these deficiencies by falsifying my endorsement only confirms my impression that he is not the man we need to lead our nation." <p><hr></blockquote><p> <br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
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