<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>"Apply pressure" to sovereign nations? Like invade them. Correct?<p><hr></blockquote><p>We will apply pressure (a compelling or constraining influence) to every sovereign nation that aids or harbors terrorist. Get it?<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You are reneging on your first comment on sovereignty. You are respecting sovereignty out of convenience.<p><hr></blockquote><p>If said sovereign nation poses a terrorist threat, we will reserve the right to unilaterally determine the proper course of action.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You cannot get uppity if one questions the sovereignty we currently have propped up in Iraq.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Our propping (support and assistance) of the sovereignty of Iraq is the proper course of action.<br><br><br><br> <br><br>got to let your eyes adjust
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The hidden story is we are WINNING that war.<br>The latest OBL tape is a 100% call for the American people to vote for John Kerry. It was in many ways a surrender message and a feeble attempt to threaten us.<br>The election of John Kerry would be a disaster for Iraqis, the war on TERROR (not OBL or only those who participated in 9/11 or were directly involved in 9/11) and the world. I'm more convinced of that today than I have ever been.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
RE: Kerry = disaster for Iraqis, etc.<br>Your comment about Kerry = disaster for Iraq is pure speculation. You (and the rest of us) have no way of knowing what his Presidency would bring.<br><br>The Bin Laden tape clearly says that neither Kerry (mentioned first in the tape BTW) nor Bush would prevent the wrath of Al Qaeda. Both have professed to destroy the organization, so they would BOTH make the US targets. He does NOT endorse Kerry. Bin Laden is more likely endorsing the lesser known candidates who advocate yanking US "imperialistic" forces from other countries.<br><br>Bush does not equal winning the war on terror. "Changing course" will inevitably happen because Bush cannot be re-elected in four years. The war on terror won't be wrapped up by then. There is no McOutcome to it. Re-electing the current mismanagement team is lazy. It's best to start thinking critically now.<br><br>The real problem is our own compromise of sovereignty via Israel. It doesn't matter who gets elected, they'll eventually bow to Israel's interests and THAT will make us a target.<br><br>When Bush first came to office, he had a shockingly refreshing disinterest in Israel. But within the first 8 months you can see him (via evolution in the press) getting brought up to speed and getting whipped into shape by an establishment greater than his "swaggering cowboy" attitude. <br><br>If an ignorant, cantankerous S.O.B. can't tell Israel to mind it's own business and "sink or swim"... nobody can.
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Your comment about Kerry = disaster for Iraq is pure speculation. You (and the rest of us) have no way of knowing what his Presidency would bring.<p><hr></blockquote><p>That is a rediculous argument. The next minute of my life is pure speculation. EVERYTHING is pure speculation.<br>If that is your view then I can only conclude you are voting using a coin flip. I mean to say, "I'm voting for Kerry because he'll create jobs or get more people health care coverage", is just pure speculation.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
Also, the OBL tape issues a specific threat to each state. He basically says that if your state goes for Kerry your state will be safe. If your state goes for Bush then your state may be attacked. At least that is the consensus using a better translation of his words than AlJazzera did.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
i am voting for kerry because i am convinced he will fight a more effective war on terror and will do a better job of managing the separate war in iraq. iraq is a lost cause, but american lives do not have to be a lost cause and i believe kerry will get us out of iraq more quickly. <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/11/01/iraq.china/index.html">a high ranking chinese official today said</a> that dubya has ruined the coalition he had in the war on terror. this is not a war that individual countries can win, so i believe that only kerry can reestablish the efforts of the world working together to minimize terror and make it something that is once again a nuisance. without these coalitions, we are much more at risk. dubya is only making our lives more at risk.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
Well, Iraq is certainly not all wine and roses. It's a many parts are dangerous. But deeming it a lost cause shows no real grip on reality just a buying into the main stream news reports.<br>This comes from one of my daily reading of certain blogs. This is from PowerLine (decidely a red state blog):<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Piercing the Blackout on Good News<br><br>During the last two weeks of the Presidential campaign, we expected a virtual blackout on good news of all kinds, as the mainstream media try to drag John Kerry across the finish line. And we haven't been surprised, as the press has been hysterical over one bogus story after another.<br><br>So let's take a moment to shine a little light into the darkness. Haider Ajina sends us the results of a poll taken in Baghdad, Mosul and Dehok and published in Iraq on October 25. The poll probably over-sampled Sunnis, which makes its results even more striking. Haider writes:<br><br> 63% of Iraqis say that the withdrawal of American and allied forces will not be in the best interest of Iraq, it will undermine the work towards security and control of the country. 27% say that it would be in the best interest of Iraq. 9% had no opinion.<br><br> 58% say that terrorists do the kidnappings and assassination of police and soldiers. 9% say that patriots fighting for Iraq carry them out. 32% say ignorant Iraqis who have been brain washed & misled carry them out.<br><br> 89% said that the terrorism, kidnapping, beheadings and assassination of police and security forces do not help the freeing of Iraq and the building of a stable country. 6% said that it would help free Iraq and build stability. 4% had no opinion.<br><br>Michael Moore, the intellectual leader of the Democratic Party, may believe that the terrorists are patriots and freedom fighters, but the Iraqi people clearly do not agree.<br><br>Haider also tells us that positive developments in Egypt, the most populous Arab country, are not being reported in America. The liberation of Iraq has had a profound effect on Egyptians, who are starting to campaign for freedom and democracy. By way of example, Haider sends us this translation of pat of a front-page article in the Egyptian newspaper, ďAl Wafed," on October 27, titled: "The people of Egypt are screaming at the top of their lungs for a free government":<br><br> Soon after, the Egyptian government announced a realignment of the cabinet. The dream of a democratic Egypt returned to the masses. The cabinet of Dr. Adif Aubeid has introduced nothing new. The people lost hope in any progressive improvements in government. Nothing was left except to pray to god to rid them of this government. The people have suffered higher taxes, unemployment, and inflation. People are feeling like sheep, not citizens. Egyptians have rights, which need to be respected, have needs that need to be considered and have expectation of a more representative government.<br><br> "We have had enough of the old faces; we want a government: young, strong, and free, which represents the hopes of the people of Egypt, before the people explode in a volcano of anger."<br><br>There are many positive developments in Iraq, the Middle East and throughout the Arab world. Maybe we'll start hearing about them after the election.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I look for more recent contradictory information but am unable to find any.<br><br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Michael Moore, the intellectual leader of the Democratic Party, may believe that the terrorists are patriots and freedom fighters, but the Iraqi people clearly do not agree.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>LOL! Snuck that right into the middle, did they? <br><br>
Yeah. On a little aside I heard a news report this weekend (don't remember the network or the show) where they said that F9/11 actually created more Bush voters somehow.<br><br>I'm trying to track it down. Ahhh, the sweet irony it would be if true.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
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