Loc: New Hampshire
What Kerry said - <br><br>“George W. Bush who talks tough and brags about making America safer has once again failed to deliver. After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq, this administration failed to guard those stockpiles – where nearly 380 tons of highly explosive weapons were kept. Today we learned that these explosives are missing, unaccounted for and could be in the hands of terrorists."<br><br>What happened -<br><br>March 20, 2003 - war starts<br>April 9, 2003 - Baghdad falls<br><br>April 10, 2003 - Troops secure Al Qaqaa and find explosives missing.<br><br>Oct 25, 2004 - Kerry invents story of missing explosives in desperate attempt to win election.<br><br>[color:blue]All your sock puppets are belong to us</font color=blue>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Earlier Monday, the IAEA revealed it had been told two weeks ago by the Iraqi government that 380 tons of HMX and RDX had disappeared from Al Qaqaa after Hussein's government fell.<br><br>In a letter dated October 10, the Iraqi government told the IAEA the material disappeared sometime after Hussein's regime fell in April 2003 "throughout the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security."<br><br>The IAEA said it had long warned U.S. officials that important explosives were being stored at Al Qaqaa, which also held huge caches of artillery.<p><hr></blockquote><p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/26/iraq.explosives.intl/">link</a><br><br>but, even if dubya's version of this story is the one that sticks even though this is like a he said/she said story -- my point would be much larger than this . . . wouldn't it be smart to talk with the IAEA prior to the invasion? wouldn't it be smart to use their intelligence when your own intelligence is so flawed? wouldn't it be smart to secure everything that the IAEA tracks in iraq before you secure any other industry or facility? gross miscalculation and ineptitude regardless of the timeline after the fall of saddam. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
wow. where'dya find that?<br><br>perhaps the "embedded" reporter had no idea what he/she was seeing when he/she went to this compound. how does an untrained reporter recognize HMX versus RDX versus regular explosives and other stuff?<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
All of this info posted in the other thread, including some very good links posted by Trog, debunk the Drudge skewing of the timeline. <br><br><br>That doc, released by the NYT, sent to the Department of Defense.<br><br><br>AS stated in the first NBC article:<br><br>At the Pentagon, an official who monitors developments in Iraq said U.S.-led coalition troops had searched Al-Qaqaa in the immediate aftermath of the March 2003 invasion and confirmed that the explosives, under IAEA seal since 1991, were intact. Thereafter, the site was not secured by U.S. forces, the official said, also speaking on condition of anonymity.<br>The Iraqis told the nuclear agency the materials were stolen and looted because of a lack of security at governmental installations, Fleming said.<br>"We do not know what happened to the explosives or when they were looted," she told AP.<br><br>
Umm, because he/she is a reporter and said reporter asked questions of the trained personel that he/she was embedded with? Now, I don't have any fancy doctorates in journalism but I think that's how it may work.<br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .
i guess i don't believe the reporter given the other evidence. i think the reporter probably didn't ask the right questions or know which questions to ask.<br><br>i look forward to seeing this play out. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
Josh Marshall has another (IMO) excellent analysis.<br><br>Again, I think an important point that no one seems to be making, is that if inspectors had remained in place, satellites trained on locations like this (vs. strategic use), and the U.S. intelligence and military had remained watchful, the location of these weapons would be known; they probably wouldn't even have been looted. <br><br>The confusion of war and the taxation of resources is what has caused this. This administration has removed a "potentially dangerous", but certainly contained, regime and turned it into a chaotic, terrorist hotbed at the cost of how many lives? That's leadership?<br><br>
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