<br><br>Riding the subway in san francisco is now like being in a police state.<br><br>"No specific threats have been reported to BART or any other transit agency, but authorities don't want to take any chances, said BART Police Chief Gary Gee."<br><br>link<br><br>Keep the populace in fear, this keeps you in charge.<br><br>yeah america.<br><br>I would rather die free than live in fear, and without liberty.
#199892 - 10/23/0411:29 AMRe: The new america
we have very different reactions. when a decked out police officer stepped into the DC subway/metro when I was coming home last week, I was very glad. I'd rather that they be around that not be around. Sure, it's a little unnerving to be driving if a cop is directly behind you, but you can be pretty sure that people are going to be driving reeeeal nice for that portion of the trip. I can understand your reaction, but don't share it personally.<br><br>neye<br><br>
when no threat has been seen why send the para military into civilian centers? I am so shocked by the accepted loss of freedoms and military state the US has become since 9/11. Yes the attack was beyond anything we have ever dealt with, but our swing to the opposite side of liberty is not the correct path, IMHO<br><br>I would rather die free than live in fear, and without liberty.
It's been this way in NYC ever since 9/11. Subways, buses, Grand Central and Penn stations, the airports. Frankly, I miss it in Florida. Granted, TriRail uses armed Wakenhut security guards as conductors — but they're only carrying handguns, not the heavy arsenals seen in other major cities. Not that I'd expect Boca or Ft. Lauderdale to be attractive terror targets, but you never know...<br><br>A show of force is always a good deterrant, and in these cases, no one'e freedome is being compromised. In fact, it's being protected.<br><br>
#199898 - 10/23/0402:03 PMRe: The new america
heya Nutty, my response is mostly consistent with GaryW's - I don't feel like any freedom is being lost by having them there, and like Steve wrote, I actually feel better. If I felt that freedom was being limited by them being there, then I'd sympathize with your POV more, but as it is, I feel like the only thing being limited is the likelyhood for bad things to be happening to me while on the subway!<br><br>neye<br><br>
I remember having lunch in a nice sunny plaza in New York one day, when suddenly the place was surrounded by people in body armor, holding assault guns, with big dogs on leashes and a military-looking helicopter hovering overhead. Everyone ignored it, except for us rubes, who felt distincly unnerved by the whole thing. I guess that if the show of force had been in response to something specific, I would feel that I was being protected, but what the people we spoke to in the plaza said was that the shows of force took place at random, and not in response to any news or incident. That makes me feel less safe, to tell the truth. It seems just exactly a show of force without the substance. It's a hard balance to strike, I guess.<br><br>
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What you witnessed wasn't all that random. The NYPD's anti-terror and tactical teams execute these unexpected maneuvers in what are called "sub-strategic" locations all over manhattan and other boroughs as an added deterrant. It's a way to demostrate to those with nasty ideas that the PD is also quite capable of showing up where and when you least expect them.<br><br>Yes, it can be unsettling if you've never seen it before, but it's a reliable tactic. I've seen it several times in Manhattan, and even in front of a small neighborhood synagogue in Brooklyn during a normal Saturday AM shul.<br><br>Kinda like that old joke:<br>Joe: What's that symbol on the wall for?<br>Bob: Keeps the elephants away.<br>Joe: Elephents? There ain't no elephants in Kansas!<br>Bob: SEE?<br><br><br><br>
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