I'm not sure if I give it away in how I talk about third parties, but I guess you could call me a dejected Green. I don't have any gripes with the messages third party candidates bring. In fact, I love the freedom with which they talk. I just wish they would be more pragmatic in thier dogma. It's rigid dependance on ideology that is hurting our political system.<br><br>I suppose you could say the Reform Party suffered from a lack of an ideological center, but I think their popularity stemmed completely from Ross Perot's willingness to search for solutions, not for libertarian, or conservative, or liberal, or socialist solutions.<br><br>That's the opportunity for third party candidates. I'd love to see a candidate, let's say for US Senate or a Governorship that listed in their issue positions the difference between the ideological angles and their own deduction as to how something would work, and even more importantly, why it would be likely to work.<br><br>.... ah... the Pragmatic Technocrats are born!<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey<br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm not sure if I give it away in how I talk about third parties, but I guess you could call me a dejected Green. I don't have any gripes with the messages third party candidates bring. In fact, I love the freedom with which they talk. I just wish they would be more pragmatic in thier dogma. It's rigid dependance on ideology that is hurting our political system.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I was a Green when the party first started in California. Back then, they basically had one platform concern: the environment. It only took a few years to have a list of liberal special interest groups to have their agendas added to the platform. I'm a pretty liberal person socially, but too many interest groups pulling it in every direction meant that the party platform was muddied. It was then that I discovered the Libertarians and their liberal social and conservative fiscal stance that I found my best match in government. <br><br>That said, I voted Nader in 2000 and I'll probably write him in this year (if I don't, I'll probably be voting for Badnarik).<br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I would spend the money on getting a couple of seats in Congress.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Which is where it really needs to start. Getting seats in the House, a Senator or two. Though I wouldn't give up on Presidential aspirations, after all it does seem the voting populous is getting discouraged with the two "main" parties. Toss in a popular independent like Ventura and who knows, independents just might have a shot... which would wake people up to the idea that there are more than just two parties and their views on things.<br><br>This country started out with at least 5 different political parties, how is whittling it down to two called progress?<br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>This country started out with at least 5 different political parties, how is whittling it down to two called progress? <p><hr></blockquote><p> I have a hard time finding anywhere in our early history when we had five parties. It was two or one. A faction would break off or oppose and there would never be time when a third party held any influence over more than one presidential cycle. (Bullmoose, prohibition party.)<br><br>It may not be progress but the winner take all electoral college keeps a two party system as the only way. Hopefully a third party can form when one of the other parties implodes but three at a time has no chance. What we have right now is right wing republican and right wing republican light (democrats.) Both sit as close to the center as they can and right now it is right of center. A green or Libertarian party can gain more power on the left and the democrats either implode or soak up this party. That way can step to the left a bit. It's not as if a third party grows out of nothing . They are formed by disaffected members of a current party. Green party forms, Democrats implode and 50 years from now the Green party has moved into the exact same spot that republican light currently holds. A third party is no wonder panacea. It is just one way to move away from this stupid vanilla center we are all stuck with. Much easier is to work within an existing party and move it to where you want them to go.<br><br>When enough people figure out that a fiscally conservative but socially liberal party is the way to go then the two parties will evolve into that view. They are self perpetuating entities which will do anything for votes. This is a good thing. They turn into exactly what the average American wants. Sometimes the average sucks. Like right now.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
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