the thing that gets me is that democracy has effectively been reduced to gimmicks. "gore is a liar." "kerry is a flip-flopper."<br><br>anything to avoid issues. people don't really care about issues, i suppose and that's disappointing in and of itself. people claim that they care and that they want to hear issues, but they'd much rather point out a misstatement here and there. that's entertaining. that's something people can grasp hold of. the intricacies of health care is a bunch of blah, blah, blah. they'd much rather talk about a theme that's been played in the media and run with it since that's pounded into their heads (sorta like scott peterson's trial . . . it's manufactured news). quite sad really.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

Thre you go again, Sean, pointing at substantive stuff. Tch tch tch!<br><br>

We did find WMDs but we did not find stockpiles or large inventories. Those had already been shipped to Iraq, Jordan and Syria.<br><br>At the time of the quote there were contradicting intelligence on the purpose of those trucks. Some said they were mobile bio labs and other said they were manufacturing hydrogen for weather ballons or something like that. I think it turned out in the final analysis that the trucks weren't for manufacturing bio weapons.<br><br>Sean, as the king of nuance I would have thought you'd have picked up on GWB's. <br><br>See, a lie would be GWB stating something as true that he KNEW was false.<br>When he made this statement did he KNOW the trucks weren't bio labs? No, he didn't. Should he have said "it appears Iraq has got laboratories," Probably but maybe he made this statement when it was late and he was tired and forgot to include that part.<br><br><br>No sig right now, waiting for the next Kerry flip-flop. .

no he didnt lie cmon, he would never lie or stretch the truth or bend his reasoning for the war in iraq. he is bush, he is the second coming. . .<br><br><br><br>You cant polish a Turd.

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>he made a few different appearances that day and is now confusing the appearances. <br><br>do you have any idea how many appearances these two guys have been making over the past year? they are in full campaign mode<p><hr></blockquote><p>No excuses for Kerry's fib are necessary, Sean. Kerry exactly when and where he made that comment . . . He was trying to float a B.S. excuse for it and got caught . . . <br><br><embed src="http://homepage.mac.com/barnett112/.Music/kerryflip.mp3" width=320 height=25 controller="true" autoplay="false" type="video/quicktime"><br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

um, okay. <br><br>i think Mr. Turkentine summed up what you're saying best (from willie wonka's chocolate factory):<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Of course you don't know! You don't know because only I know. If you knew and I didn't know, then you'd be teaching me instead of me teaching you--and for a student to be teaching his teacher is presumptuous and rude. Do I make myself clear?.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

Hi all. Well, I'm dipping my toe into this mosh pit.<br><br>Why is it that when Kerry either flat out lies or contradicts himself on the same day, it's considered 'silly'? And yet, when Bush says anything that isn't perfect Kings english, he's accused of lying to the public, going back on his word, etc??<br><br>It's called a double standard, and the Dems are the masters of living by that.<br><br>

i am saying it's all silly. there's no double-standard in that statement. you trying to only see kerry's missteps . . . now that is exactly the double standard i am pointing out. if we want to try and dissect the nuance, i think i can point to dubya lies over much bigger matters than what time of day kerry said this or that on day he had a few appearances, but my point is that they all lie and flop and pander to the respective audience to which they are speaking. <br><br>by the way, can you believe that dubya actually lied and said he watched a plane hit the WTC live on 9/11? of all subject matter to lie about. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>by the way, can you believe that dubya actually lied and said he watched a plane hit the WTC live on 9/11? of all subject matter to lie about<p><hr></blockquote><p>See there, I'm one nickle closer to my new G5. Thanks Sean!<br><br><br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

I was taking your original statement at face value. You're doing a Kerry, by going back and changing the meaning of your statement. <br><br>You didn't say it's 'all' silly, but now that you say it that way, yes, I can agree it's all silly. But this whole thing is dangerous the way the media is taking sides. The media should be hounding them, asking about what will they do in office. Challenging these men to validate, support, almost prove they have thought out plans on education, the economy, the whole works. But the media is taking sides, and that means we lose, because we aren't in a position to question them in the same way.<br><br>