<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>matt, i was disappointed in you when i thought you were coming up with this supposed "flip flop" on your own because it's just so gosh darn silly and you have a history here of typically rising above something like this. now that i've learned that the republicans were making a big deal about this today, i realize you didn't find this on your own<p><hr></blockquote><p>Pfft...<br><br>I could give a rats ass, Sean. If I had a nickle for every Michael Moore conspiracy theory run here after you guys got yourselves all twisted up after Farenhype 9/11, I'd be posting this using a new G5. Difference being, I don't tweak my nipples over it. Now get your hands out from under your shirt and tell me what you really think about Kerry's blatant lie today. <br><br>Oh yeah . . . <br><br>And a to you too.<br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

michel moore made a movie that caused a lot of people to think. michael moore since then has done a disservice to the left. personally, i wish he'd shut up. now . . .<br><br>i was trying to give you some leeway for running with a story that has absolutely no significance, but you're still holding out hope that it is a story. my mistake for giving you some credit. i have no opinion of kerry's comments from today -- it's less of a story than the the people trying to make it one. it's silly!<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

if the kerry thing made you "angry" then wait till you get a load of this (from salon.com):<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>When Bush first started telling the ground zero story, in February of this year, he'd say he remembered walking through the ruins and seeing "a guy pointing at me and saying, 'Don't let me down.'" By March, Bush had the "guy" saying, "'Mr. President, never let me down."<br><p><hr></blockquote><p>he used to say, "don't" and later said, "never" -- OMG! <br><br>and, for those of you who realize how silly this is, but enjoy the comedy of it, here's the rest of this part of the 4 page article:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>One morning in May, Bush said: "I clearly remember a guy in a hard hat" who said, "'Don't let me down.'" Later that same day, Bush said: "I'll never forget the firefighter that pointed at me and said, 'Don't let me down.'" By June, the "guy" had become a whole group of "tired firefighters and police and rescue workers" who said, "'Don't let us down.'" By July, the "guy" was just a guy again, but Bush couldn't remember which kind: "I remember a fireman or a policeman, I can't remember which one, looking me in the eyes and saying, 'Do not let me down.'"<br><br>At about the same time, the guy -- whoever he was -- started getting physical. No longer did he merely point at the passing president; he "grabbed me by the arm," Bush said. One morning in July, Bush said the grabber "was a policeman or a fireman, I don't know which one, but he had tears in his eyes." By that afternoon, the guy had become a "firefighter" again, with "bloodshot eyes and sweat pouring."<br><br>And it kept getting better. In early August, Bush said: "I don't know if he was a firefighter or a policeman -- I do know that he was looking through the rubble for one of his buddies." A week after that, Bush said the guy had been searching for "a loved one." One day later, he had been searching for "somebody that he worked with." And the day after that, he was searching for a "buddy" again, but this time he said: "Mr. President, do not let me down." Two weeks later, Bush had him saying, "You don't let me down."<br><br>And on Sept. 14, 2004 -- the third anniversary of the president's visit to ground zero -- Bush offered up his most vivid memory yet. "I remember a guy grabbed me the arm, a big old burly firefighter, I guess he was a firefighter, he said: 'Do not let me down.'"<br><br>It was, the president said, "a day I'll never forget."<p><hr></blockquote><p>t-r-i-v-i-a-l.<br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>michel moore made a movie that caused a lot of people to think...<p><hr></blockquote><p>...that Moore is a political hack who heavily edits his films to present not the truth, but the "truth" as Michael Moore sees it.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>but you're still holding out hope that it is a story.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I'm not "holding out hope" that it is a story. Exactly how am I doing that Sean? I posted posted audio of Kerry caught lying on ABC. In what way is that "holding out hope" that it is a story? It *does* show that Kerry is still contradicting himself and is not above lying about it.<br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

bush lied, people died. kerry said something about evening instead of noon, no one died.<br><br><br>You cant polish a Turd.

It's a far stretch for Kerry to claim (lie) that it was late in the evening when it was actually very early in the afternoon. <br><br><br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

There is no factual proof that "Bush lied." Several government commissions, along with one in Britain, have stated that Bush acted in good faith, on the intelligence he had at the time.<br><br>

he made a few different appearances that day and is now confusing the appearances. <br><br>do you have any idea how many appearances these two guys have been making over the past year? they are in full campaign mode. it's trivial, unlike:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Overstating Iraqi security. At his press conference with interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi last week, Bush said that "nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers and other security personnel are working today." But at a Pentagon briefing last week, it became clear that the 100,000 includes about 36,000 police officers who have not completed the two-part training that the Pentagon had planned for them. While the 36,000 officers have completed either three or eight weeks of police academy training -- LAPD recruits spend seven months at a police academy -- it appears that not one of them has completed the 24 weeks of on-the-job training described in Pentagon documents. And as for being fully equipped? Those 36,000 undertrained cops, combined with about 50,000 more the Pentagon lists as "untrained" or "in training," share about 13,000 radios -- or about one for every seven officers -- and some of those have "an interim capability only."<br><br>And when Bush begins to invoke memories of Sept. 11 again tonight, listen carefully -- and not just for another round of suggestions that Saddam Hussein had something to do with it. In a question-and-answer session in December 2001 -- just three months after the attack -- Bush remembered watching the first plane hit the World Trade Center while he was waiting to enter that classroom in Florida. "I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on," Bush said. "And I used to fly, myself, and I said, 'Well, there's one terrible pilot.' I said, 'It must have been a horrible accident.'" Bush repeated the story at another event in January 2002.<br><br>The only problem is, it never happened. The first attack wasn't broadcast live -- who would have known to show it? -- and videotape of it wasn't available until much later. Bush may believe the words he says, but there's no way he saw what he said he saw.<p><hr></blockquote><p>there's a lot more at salon if you enjoy getting reading these things. i was resolved a long time ago to the understanding that all politicians say things that could be considered flip flops all the time, especially when taken out of context . . . that's the nature of the business. i can't help that you only want to believe those that are featured in the conservative media are significant.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

The comedy is pretty good, Sean. Keep stoking the fire, please. The whole of the Bush campaign seems to have come down to rhetorical schticks like this--not an quark's worth of substance in any of it.<br><br>

or, how about this whopper from the whitehouse.gov website:<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Q But, still, those countries who didn't support the Iraqi Freedom operation use the same argument, weapons of mass destruction haven't been found. So what argument will you use now to justify this war?<br><br>THE PRESIDENT: We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them.<p><hr></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html">link (may, 2003 interview)</a><br><br>holy $#it! now that is a LIE. time of day versus WMD. trivial versus catastrophic. silly versus something you could really get angry over. etc. etc. etc. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato