kerry did not make the decision to actually send troops to iraq and start a war. kerry has said repeatedly that he's glad saddam is gone, but that he would not have started a war in iraq. his vote was wonderful in getting saddam to take us more seriously. his vote was working and the weapons inspections were working to the point where we failed to get the inspectors adequate intelligence -- because, at the time, we seemed to have overhead photos of WMD structures (see, powell's UN remarks, for example) . . . yet, when push came to shove, we didn't trust that intelligence enough to give to the inspectors and instead finally decided to kick them out. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
I was having a beer with some friends the other night, all of whom are very liberal, educated and fairly politically aware. At some point the conversation drifted to Kerry and someone mentioned that what they didn't like about him is that he "voted for the war". Several of the people immediately agreed.<br><br>I have a feeling this really will become like the "Gore invented the internet" BS of a few years ago (didn't someone here already make that analogy?). Man, Rove is good. <br><br>
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The fact that he 'voted for the war' doesn't bother me so much as that he's trying to backtrack on it. If you voted for it, stand up and say so- don't make up a bunch of excuses such as 'Well, *I* voted to go into Iraq with UN support, blah blah blah'....<br><br>It seems to be that he should have been somewhat aware (as most of us claimed to be) that Bush was doing a full court press on Saddam, and he was going to go in with or without UN support. Every poster on MCF seemingly knew the deal- was Kerry really that oblivious? And if that's the case, do I want him as president? Do I want EITHER guy?!!! <br><br>How could you not realize that Bush & Co. were headed down this road the whole time? If he's representing 'intellectuals' such as some of the folks on this message board, then I find it pretty sad that he couldn't recognize a clear intent on going to Iraq by the president, WMDs or not.<br><br>[color:red]C'mon...you know me.</font color=red>
But he did not "vote for the war". The vote was to give Bush authorization to follow that route if certain things were tried and failed. There is a laundry list of things that Bush was supposed to do but he put his head down and ignored everything and focused on attacking Iraq.<br><br>Read Kerry's speech when he voted HERE. <br><br>Don't read a translation or a Cliff Notes version. Read the words that came out of his mouth. He has not changed his stance an iota. Neither has Bush but he is certainly the one who should. Everything that has been done in Iraq has failed and Bush should come clean and move on. Pretending it is hunky dory is the worst thing he could be doing.<br><br>If you believe that Kerry backtracked you are succumbing to the Rovian BS. Read Kerry's speeches. All 200 of them since that vote have been consistent.<br><br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
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I'm going on the quotes that I hear coming out of his own mouth- he specifically used the word 'deceived' on several occasions, and one interview I heard with him on the radio (from before his candidacy) had him suggesting the idea of unlimited spending to 'get the job done' in Iraq.<br><br>So I'm just wondering when it became convenient to change his mind....<br><br>[color:red]C'mon...you know me.</font color=red>
While it's technically true he didn't "vote for war" in as much as we didn't go to war with Iraq immediately after passing the resolution Kerry did agree with the presidents final decision to go to war.<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003
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