A liberal rag reports it. Looks like pie in Rather's face rather soon.<br><br>There, now that wasn't so hard was it? You fscked up! I wish other members of the media, and the federal government, would admit when they make mistakes.<br><br>
Do you think Rather will go down over this? the article certainly makes it sound like Ms. Mapes was the producer who was responsible for verifying and checking the authenticity of the documents. my theory is that they knew the content of the memos was true, as we all do, and they were more concerned with verifying the signatures on the memos. that was sloppy, but i think they can live through this. hardcore conservatives hated CBS anyway, so they aren't going to stop watching a show they already avoided. this will be an embarrassment and that's about all that will happen this week. of course, that's just my theory. we'll see.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
wow, salon.com does a lengthy story on dubya's national guard service today (did you mean to link to this trog?) and i'll provide a snippet of about 25% of the article, but they are quite comprehensive and they provide links to the evidence they use (e.g., the papers released by the gov't and whitehouse) but i am too lazy to attach the links to the text below. you can visit salon.com for that: <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Consider the following anomalies:<br><br>(Note that statements below that certain documents do not exist, or that Bush failed to obtain proper authorization, are based on the White House's repeated insistence that all relevant Bush military documents have been made public. Some of these documents, of course, may yet turn up.)<br><br>Bush flew for the last time on April 16, 1972. Upon entering the Guard, Bush agreed to fly for 60 months. After his training was complete, he owed 53 months of flying.<br>But he flew for only 22 of those 53 months.<br><br>Upon being accepted for pilot training, Bush promised to serve with his parent (Texas) Guard unit for five years once he completed his pilot training.<br>But Bush served as a pilot with his parent unit for just two years.<br><br>In May 1972 Bush left the Houston Guard base for Alabama. According to Air Force regulations, Bush was supposed to obtain prior authorization before leaving Texas to join a new Guard unit in Alabama.<br>But Bush failed to get the authorization.<br><br>In requesting a permanent transfer to a nonflying unit in Alabama in 1972, Bush was supposed to sign an acknowledgment that he received relocation counseling.<br>But no such document exists.<br><br>He was supposed to receive a certification of satisfactory participation from his unit.<br>But Bush did not.<br><br>He was supposed to sign and give a letter of resignation to his Texas unit commander.<br>But Bush did not.<br><br>He was supposed to receive discharge orders from the Texas Air National Guard adjutant general.<br>But Bush did not.<br><br>He was supposed to receive new assignment orders for the Air Force Reserves.<br>But Bush did not.<br><br>On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his "permanent address."<br>But he wrote down a post office box number for the campaign he was working for on a temporary basis.<br><br>On his transfer request Bush was asked to list his Air Force specialty code.<br>But Bush, an F-102 pilot, erroneously wrote the code for an F-89 or F-94 pilot. Both planes had been retired from service at the time. Bush, an officer, made this mistake more than once on the same form.<br><br>On May 26, 1972, Lt. Col. Reese Bracken, commander of the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama, informed Bush that a transfer to his nonflying unit would be unsuitable for a fully trained pilot such as he was, and that Bush would not be able to fulfill any of his remaining two years of flight obligation.<br>But Bush pressed on with his transfer request nonetheless.<br><br>Bush's transfer request to the 9921st was eventually denied by the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, which meant he was still obligated to attend training sessions one weekend a month with his Texas unit in Houston.<br>But Bush failed to attend weekend drills in May, June, July, August and September. He also failed to request permission to make up those days at the time.<br><br>According to Air Force regulations, "[a] member whose attendance record is poor must be closely monitored. When the unexcused absences reach one less than the maximum permitted [sic] he must be counseled and a record made of the counseling. If the member is unavailable he must be advised by personal letter."<br>But there is no record that Bush ever received such counseling, despite the fact that he missed drills for months on end.<br><br>Bush's unit was obligated to report in writing to the Personnel Center at Randolph Air Force Base whenever a monthly review of records showed unsatisfactory participation for an officer.<br>But his unit never reported Bush's absenteeism to Randolph Air Force Base.<br><br>In July 1972 Bush failed to take a mandatory Guard physical exam, which is a serious offense for a Guard pilot. The move should have prompted the formation of a Flying Evaluation Board to investigation the circumstances surrounding Bush's failure.<br>But no such FEB was convened.<br><br>Once Bush was grounded for failing to take a physical, his commanders could have filed a report on why the suspension should be lifted.<br>But Bush's commanders made no such request.<br><br>On Sept. 15, 1972, Bush was ordered to report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, the deputy commander of the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery, Ala., to participate in training on the weekends of Oct. 7-8 and Nov. 4-5, 1972.<br>But there's no evidence Bush ever showed up on those dates. In 2000, Turnipseed told the Boston Globe that Bush did not report for duty. (A self-professed Bush supporter, Turnipseed has since backed off from his categorical claim.)<br><br>However, according to the White House-released pay records, which are unsigned, Bush was credited for serving in Montgomery on Oct. 28-29 and Nov. 11-14, 1972. Those makeup dates should have produced a paper trail, including Bush's formal request as well as authorization and supervision documents.<br>But no such documents exist, and the dates he was credited for do not match the dates when the Montgomery unit assembled for drills.<p><hr></blockquote><p><a href="http://salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/20/bush_guard_records/index.html">link here</a><br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
Sounds like the whole National Guard was coked up. <br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003
Loc: Yuba City, California
I know this, when he flew out to the aircraft carrier to announce "mission accomplished", he wasn't the one flying that plane when it landed on the deck of the carrier. He rode shotgun all the way and he might have taken the stick for a couple of minutes on the way.<br><br>
Oh c'mon...Get real!<br>Any pilot will tell you that you have to keep flying to keep your skills. Do you think the Navy would allow anyone who hasn't flown in some years to attempt a carrier landing, of all things?<br><br>
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