I find it entertaining that whenever somebody on the right mentions their religion, it is the beginning of the end of the world; the final domino falling in religious domination of the government. <br><br>Yet, when somebody on the left mentions religion (as Clinton used to do all the time,) liberals and the media give them the 'drive-thru and wave' EZ-Pass on the whole issue. <br><br>The bottom line for me (as a non-religious person,) I don't care. As a Bush supporter, I admire anyone who says religion is a positive force in their lives.<br><br>Somebody already touched on this, but if you dare to mention that all of the terrorists in recent years have been Muslims, you are tarred and feathered for your religious intolerance and hatred for others. Yet it is perfectly acceptable to mock Bush for mentioning Jesus Christ. <br><br>

"Mentioning?" Mentioning?? Bush claimed Christ as the political philosopher or thinker he most identified with. He has "turned his life over to Christ". He's a born-again, evangelical Christian. He has developed a "faith-based" agenda that has greatly influenced his choice of cabinet and it influences his policy making decisions. He uses the bible in his speeches to the nation...<br><br>Apparently a lot of people in this country dig it. They like the preacher-in-the-White House routine. The polls prove it, whether others want to accept it or not. <br><br>But you think people are upset because he "mentions" Christ? I think there are times when George W. Bush thinks he is Christ! Not the actual Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but the saviour of a people. He actually told a preacher he is close to that he thought God wanted him to become president. Wow.<br><br>

Exactly why I didn't want to post the links. That's not the issue raised by the graphic that began this thread. The problem is that the graphic has been spinned into meaning what you allege.<br><br>When someone on the other side of the issue (and to say that Clinton is "left" is absurd, by the way) makes an error in naming--saying Jesus when he meant religion, and then acknowledging the error over and over and over--he gets badgered, berated, in effect called a liar. I'm called a coward because it's presumed I wouldn't attack Islam--when as a matter of plain fact, I did not attack Christinanity in the first place, nor would I attack any religion as a religion.<br><br>This thread, in short, illustrates the rhetorical approach of your side of the coin so clearly that I'm tempted to use it in a class as an example of spin doctoring.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Bush claimed Christ as the political philosopher or thinker he most identified with.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Bush was asked the question and he answered it. He come in, sit down and say "Before we start, who here isn't saved" . . . Nor does Bush go around Evangalizing. Since being elected President, show me where he talks about his faith beyond answering direct questions about it or "May God bless America." <br><br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

Are you originally from Missouri by any chance? <br><br>Did you watch those PBS movies that Yoyo posted? You might see a liberal conspiracy somewhere, but if you read the responses on that site there are many Bush fans expressing their gratitude toward PBS for posting them. Apparently they saw nothing demeaning about it.<br><br>Its not about what he says, but what he does. He's a born-again Christian and its a huge part of his life. Therefore, understandably, it also has huge effects on his policies. But, one might argue whether a religious extremest is the best choice for the executive office?<br> <br>I'm not going to get into one of your "show me" arguments. I can tell right now, from reading this thread, there is nothing I can say that will make any difference. <br>

Oh you think you can wriggle out of this one, Trog--you called him a religious exremist, and I want you to provide evidence of that charge. Where has Bush ever said that he's a religious extremist? You can't find an assertion like that anywhere because Bush has never said he's a religious extremist. If you're going to make charges, you had better provide the evidentiary link. If you can't find where Bush said he's a religious extremist, then I'd suggest you shut up about it right now. And you can't find that Bush ever said he's a religious extremist because he's never said it. Your left wing propaganda is just so misleading that it makes me sick.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> But, one might argue whether a religious extremest is the best choice for the executive office?<p><hr></blockquote><p>So Bush is a religious "extremist" because of his faith in God? And here I thought liberals were the most tolerant people on earth. Silly me. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>

Nothing like a little baracuda bait.. Your good.. <br><br>

i think of myself as tolerating quite a bit, but the one thing i won't tolerate is intolerance -- except for my own intolerance of intolerance. and yes, this makes perfect sense! <br><br>religious extremism tends to manifest as intolerance, fwiw.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

George W. Bush is a born-again Christian. That should be enough right there to say he is an extremist in the eyes of American voters. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we've never had one of those in the White House before? They've always been Christians, but not quite to the extreme that born-agains are.<br><br>Did you watch those PBS movies yet? <br>How about this story. In one of the four chapters George Jr. has an argument with Barbara (mommy) about whether people who haven't accepted Christ as their saviour can go to heaven. Barbara wasn't as certain of that requirement as Jr. So, what did George do? He called a good family friend, Billy Graham, the evangelist, and asked him who he thought was correct. As it turns out Billy actually sided with Barbara and told Jr. that he was thinking a bit too literally about the requirements to get into heaven, rather you should just do your part to help people understand the greatness of Christianity. Well, George jr. wanted no part of either his mother or Billy Graham's philosophy and he continued to believe the idea that if you haven't accepted Christ as your saviour you will burn in hell after you die.<br><br>So, he's a born-again Christian, his close family members are evangelicals like Billy Graham and he's more extreme in his beliefs than they are! What is an extremist to you, a witch doctor?<br><br><br>Honestly, Matt, is that really what you think or are you baiting me? Nevermind, don't answer that. <br><br>