<a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=797106&mesg_id=797106">interesting (link)</a><br><br>this could get very bad for dubya. no wonder dan rather could be so confident. <br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
<blockquote>An Ex-Officer Now Believes Guard Memo Isn't Genuine<br><br>By RALPH BLUMENTHAL and JIM RUTENBERG<br>Published: September 12, 2004<br><br><br>HOUSTON, Sept. 11 - A former National Guard commander who CBS News said had helped convince it of the authenticity of documents raising new questions about President Bush's military service said on Saturday that he did not believe they were genuine.<br><br>The commander, Bobby Hodges, said in a telephone interview that network producers had never showed him the documents but had only read them to him over the phone days before they were featured Wednesday in a "60 Minutes" broadcast. After seeing the documents on Friday, Mr. Hodges said, he concluded that they were falsified.<br><br>Mr. Hodges, a former general who spoke to several news organizations this weekend, was just the latest person to challenge the authenticity of the documents, which CBS reported came from the personal files of Mr. Bush's former squadron commander at the Texas Air National Guard, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, who died 20 years ago.<br><br>The memos indicated that Mr. Bush had failed to take a physical "as ordered" and that Mr. Killian was being pressured to "sugarcoat" Mr. Bush's performance rating because Mr. Bush, whose father was then a Texas congressman, was "talking to somebody upstairs."<br><br>But they have been the subject of an intense debate, with some forensic document specialists saying they appear to be the work of a modern word processor and others saying they could indeed have been produced by certain types of Vietnam-era typewriters. Some of Mr. Killian's family members have stepped forward to question their legitimacy.<br><br>CBS News has stood by its reporting, saying that it obtained the documents through a reliable source and that a host of experts and former Guard officials, including Mr. Hodges, helped convince it of their authenticity. It broadcast an interview on Friday night with one of those experts, a handwriting specialist named Marcel B. Matley, who said the signatures on the documents were consistent with those of Colonel Killian on records the White House had given reporters.<br><br>Mr. Hodges, 74, who was group commander of Mr. Bush's squadron in the 147th Fighter Group at Ellington Field in Houston in the early 1970's, said that when someone from CBS called him on Monday night and read him documents, "I thought they were handwritten notes."<br><br>He said he had not authenticated the documents for CBS News but had confirmed that they reflected issues he and Colonel Killian had discussed - namely Mr. Bush's failure to appear for a physical, which military records released previously by the White House show, led to a suspension from flying.<br><br>A CBS News spokeswoman, Sandy Genelius, indicated that Mr. Hodges had changed his account.<br><br>"We believed General Hodges the first time we spoke to him," Ms. Genelius said. Acknowledging that document authentification is often not an iron-clad process, she said, "We believe the documents to be genuine, we stand by our story and we will continue to report."<br><br>A spokeswoman for the CBS anchor Dan Rather, Kim Akhtar, said that Mr. Hodges had declined to appear on camera. As a result, Ms. Akhtar said, he was read the memos and responded that "he was familiar with the contents of the documents and that it sounded just like Killian." He made it clear, she added, that he was a supporter of Mr. Bush.<br><br>Mr. Hodges said that he had not spoken with anyone from the Bush administration or campaign about his views and that he was basing his belief now that the records are fakes on "inconsistencies" he had noticed.<br><br>He specifically pointed to a memo theorizing that the Texas Guard's chief of staff, Col. Walter B. Staudt, was pressing Mr. Hodges to give Mr. Bush favorable treatment. Mr. Hodges said that was not the case and that Mr. Staudt had actually retired more than a year earlier, though he acknowledged that Mr. Staudt might have remained in the Guard in some capacity after that. Mr. Staudt has not answered his phone for several days.<br><br>Mr. Hodges said he had also begun taking a dim view of the memos after hearing disavowals of them from Colonel Killian's wife and son.<br><br>The son, Gary Killian, said Saturday that he initially believed the documents might be real, if only because the signature looked like his father's. He said he had since been persuaded by the skepticism of some document experts.<br><br>Ralph Blumenthal reported from Houston and Jim Rutenberg from New York. Kate Zernike contributed reporting from New York for this article.<br><br>****************<br><br>[i][color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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my link suggested that hodges was the leaker of the memos (since he was the recipient -- of the new memos released by USA Today). just like Paul O'Neill backtracked with his story after Rove and others in the administration spoke with him, i think that could be why hodges is doing likewise. in any regard, USA Today is now sticking their necks out to side with CBS. interesting developments. can't wait to see this unfold.<br><br><br>--<br>one of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato
The link that Sean posted is sort of a rebuttal to the story you just cut and pasted. It looks like one of the two NEW memos they are talking about (in addition to the four CBS already released) was sent to Hodges himself. That would suggest that one possible source of the memos IS Hodges (or a secretary). So what scenarios are possible? Here's a few.<br><br>A. CBS was not only careless in the initial verification, but is continuing to produce new forged documents as we speak.<br><br>B. Hodges is lying, confused or has been threatened.<br><br>C. Hodges and CBS are in cahoots? <br><br>
Also suggests that the retired Col. Walter B. Staudt was one of those giving Killian heat to drop the issue. <br><br>Bush's buddy Bath has to be a big player here. That's the reason for the new doc. Both refused physicals, both had flight status revoked. Is the same guy that was mentioned recently as a participant in Bush's Saudi money connection? <br><br>Now we have forged documents provided by USA Today? One's that came from Hodge rather than Killian's files? <br><br><br>The saga continues...<br><br>
Cool, but could we call it something else besides memogate? How about Bushgate, or chickenhawkgate or desertgate or AWOLgate. Or S'moregate. (Bush on a stick about to catch fire.)<br><br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> cocainegate. <p><hr></blockquote><p> Oooh, good one. I'm calling it cocainegate from here on out. I think that will get everything across in one word.<br><br>Conversation in 2015:<br><br>Q: So what did happen to that second George Bush?<br>A: CocaineGate.<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
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