<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> But, here we have the vaunted IBM Executive. Isn't this the machine that cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $20,000 around the time the memos were typed? But even if it were $100 was it the type of machine this guy would have used to write these memos and did it have all the features that the memo shows it needs to have?<br> <p><hr></blockquote><p> No, it didn't cost $20,000.00. I mistakenly said that in another thread. I said:<br><br> It must have been wrong but googled a price tag of $20,000 on the Executive in 72. <br><br>Do you use as a source of information things that start with , "It must be wrong but ... ? Hopefully you got the rest of your facts from a more reliable source than me. <br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
Well Hodge is kinda irrelevant. Even his original statements we're not him saying "I know these memos are real". As if he saw them typed or Killian showed them to him or even he saw them in '72, '73 or even previous to 2004. His only relevance is that CBS is trying to use him as some sort of "proof" that the documents are not fake because the seemed to think at one point the contents sounded reasonable.<br><br>Your next link on the "expert" is just more of the same stuff repeated. Separates the font issue from the proportional issue. Says the font was available on the regular Selectrics (not the Composer or Executive). But as far as I can figure out the regular Selectrics of the time period didn't do proportional spacing it did variable-pitch. People sometimes confuse the two. But I may be wrong on this one.<br><br>She then switches to the Executive to prove proportional spacing was available. So, what was the memo typed on? Selectric, Selectric Composer, Executive? Or all three?<br><br>As to the similarity to a he said/she said. That is kind of what it amounts to know because no experts will offer an official opinion with any certainty without seeing the originals. Once a group of real experts can get a hold of the originals or as near to the original they can get they can follow a scientific process to determine their authenticity.<br><br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003
It may not have been wrong. The IBM Selectric Composer in '73 cost 3,600-4,400 .<br>The Executive was even more higher end than the Composer.<br><br>But your right, I will never consider you as a reliable source of information again. <br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>[edited to remove a previous mention of cost in 2004 dollars since the figure is in dispute.]<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by AfterTenSoftware on 09/12/04 01:20 AM (server time).</EM></FONT></P>
Here's a little bit of conspiracy madness: Wikipedia, The Free Online Encyclopedia, had it's page on Selectric II Typewriters hacked/edited to remove the information about superscript capabilities and features. <br><br>Looks like the webmaster wrote: "The ability of typewriters in the 70s to insert superscripts has become an issue in the presidential campaign. Somebody (anonymous, first and only wiki-contribution) whipped in here last night with a can of white out and removed the statement that the platen-adjustment on Selectric II's was for inserting superscripts. I put it back in and now add a note here just to make sure no ax-grinder takes it back out."<br><br>I suppose the rightwingers are out on eBay buying up all Selectrics & Executives.... Cheney would be pleased by this effort to grow the economy. <br><br><br><br><br><br>
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IMO the most damning information about the documents validity is the simple fact that Staudt, the Colonel referred to at the start of the memo, was honorably discharged a year and a half before the date of the memo. <br><br>By Pete Slover<br>The Dallas Morning News<br>AP<br><br>AUSTIN, Texas — The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service record shows.<br><br>An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18, 1973. <br><br>source<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> IMO the most damning information about the documents validity is the simple fact that Staudt, the Colonel referred to at the start of the memo, was honorably discharged a year and a half before the date of the memo. <br> <p><hr></blockquote><p> Not really that damning when you think for a second. This is a good old boy network set up to baby the rich brats. You think the colonel lost all his power just because he is retired? No way. He can pressure any of his older subordinates because would still know all the superiors and who to make a phone call to.<br><br>Reminds me of Dan Quayle dodging the draft the same way. It was the retired judge across the street from me calling a retired colonel who made the calls to pressure. Happens all the time. If you are rich and connected.<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener
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