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#190681 - 09/10/04 03:26 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: MattMac112]
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Now what I want to ask seriously matt. Why do you have such a short (as in non existent) fuse??? Like a cartoon character your animosity comes out of nowhere.<br><br>Get a thicker skin or back away from the computer and count to ten or something. Hey there's a game on. Relax, the Colts are getting their ass kicked. (sheesh, now don't hold it against me if you made a stupid bet on Peyton.)<br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190682 - 09/10/04 03:31 AM Professional Document Forgers Prefer InDesign [Re: sean]
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No uniform use of the 'th' or subscript 'th' in those documents ,,,, very wierd.<br><br>Also important to note that in the CBS documents there is variation in the character's baseline.... a mechanical-only type flaw that I'm told MS Word can't mimic. <br><br><br><br>
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#190683 - 09/10/04 03:32 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: AfterTenSoftware]
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Shoot, you're right on the price. It must have been wrong but googled a price tag of $20,000 on the Executive in 72. And that was back when 20,000 was really worth something (A large pizza was a buck, 20 cents more for pepperoni and a coke was 25 cents.)<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190684 - 09/10/04 03:39 AM Re: Professional Document Forgers Prefer InDesign [Re: garyW]
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www.selectric.org has been hammered. Here is what they have posted now...<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Sorry, but due to excessive hits, this page is temporarily out of service.  <br><br>Please check back after the election.<br><br>For those who want my opinion...the documents appear to be done in Word, and then copied repeatedly to make them "fuzzy".  They use features that were not available on office typewriters the 1970s, specifically the combination of proportional spacing with superscript font.  The IBM Executive has proportional spacing, but used fixed type bars.  The Selectric has changeable type elements, but fixed spacing (some models could be selected at 10 or 12 pitch, but that's all).  The Selectric Composer was not an office typewriter, but apparently did use proportional spacing.  These were very expensive machines, used by printing offices, not administrative offices. <br><br>Here are scans of the Courier 12 font, and the Prestige Elite 72 font.  Both were commonly used, and are sort of close to the font in the documents, but not quite.  Notice that they are not proportionally spaced, so the typing looks very different from that on the memos.  There is a superscript available for numbers, as used with footnotes, on the Symbol type balls.  These balls were generally used for academics, such as preparing scientific and mathematical papers.  I can find no "th" superscript in any of the IBM literature I have.<br><br>These are scans from a mid-1970s IBM Selectric Typewriter Type Styles brochure, IBM publication G542-0053-7, which does not appear to be explicitly copywrited.<br><br>At least my low opinion of TV news remains intact.<p><hr></blockquote><p>I looked at the documents and can see the baseline irregularties. Could this be the result of this being copied so many times over (introducing "fuzziness") then scanned into pixels which further reduces the resolution, so we're not seeing the full resolution of the original? Opinions?<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

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#190685 - 09/10/04 03:59 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Why do you have such a short (as in non existent) fuse??? <p><hr></blockquote><p>Because you act like a dick 90 percent of the time? <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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#190686 - 09/10/04 04:04 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I'm a jack ass all the time (or so my wife keeps telling me) but why am I a jackass by not needing a visual picture of you all quivering, foam speckled LCD screen, lather covered iMac while you post non stop your liberal bias this liberal bias that? OK, I got a vivid imagination and I only need one graphic word to send me over the edge<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, that's interesting and everything Paul, but you're being ridiculous. Also, I have an eMac, not an iMac.<br><br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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#190687 - 09/10/04 04:06 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: MattMac112]
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OK, thanks for that. Hmm 90%. Let me ask you a question. Do you post when you are off your meds? Say about 90% of the time? Do you spontaneously start foaming at the mouth quivering lips maybe and and suddenly get the urge to tell perfect strangers to go fsck themselves and tell them they are jackasses in a real weird kind of calm serious manner before smoke comes out of your ears?<br><br>But shoot we are way off topic here. This is politics and in here only and Bush sucks.<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190688 - 09/10/04 04:10 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Do you spontaneously start foaming at the mouth quivering lips maybe and and suddenly get the urge to tell perfect strangers to go fsck themselves and tell them they are jackasses<p><hr></blockquote><p>Nope . . . Only you, Paul. <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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#190689 - 09/10/04 04:10 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: MattMac112]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> but you're being ridiculous. <p><hr></blockquote><p> Your selling crazy and I'm ridiculous. OK.<br><br>Oh shoot the New England patriots just handed the Colts a very frustrating loss. Are those lips quivering? Take a really big chill pill. A red white and blue one. Night night.<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190690 - 09/10/04 04:12 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Oh shoot the New England patriots just handed the Colts a very frustrating loss. Are those lips quivering? Take a really big chill pill. A red white and blue one. Night night.<p><hr></blockquote><p><br><br>You're losing it man. <br><br>FYI: The Colts aren't my team. Win, lose, who cares?<br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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