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#190671 - 09/10/04 01:00 AM Re: What's the font Kenneth? [Re: garyW]
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Dooh, I knew there was something else. i even said kern but I was talking about serifs.<br><br>So whoever did it used the default start up font in Microsoft word. I would say there is a one percent chance it was transcribed ethically from the original and a 99% chance that 60 minutes is a pile of chuckleheads.<br><br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190672 - 09/10/04 01:25 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: AfterTenSoftware]
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Are these supposed to the be original paper memos from the 70's? If this "fake" conspiracy holds water, someone should suggest taking a snip of the paper and date with Carbon-14. That would at least tell you the decade age of the paper. I suppose you could then say that the conspirator got hold of 30 year old paper to type on. <br><br>Whether the fake story turns out to be a fake itself will be fun to watch. At the very least you sure got Matt quivering! <br><br>

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#190673 - 09/10/04 01:31 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: Trog]
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<br>please, no word pictures.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190674 - 09/10/04 02:37 AM Re: What's the font Kenneth? [Re: garyW]
squareman Offline
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Registered: 08/23/01
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Well, good. Maybe other folks will start to wake up to how unreliable broadcast media has become in the age Mega-communication mergers. It's all about selling advertising dollars and that only happens if you can "catch" the scoop (forget about working for it!). <br><br>

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#190675 - 09/10/04 02:51 AM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: garyW]
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I know, but I wasn't. I'm actually serious that if this 100% proves to be fakes, some prominent opinion columnist or news agency will somehow imply these memos were planted by the Bush campaign.<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

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#190676 - 09/10/04 02:58 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: Trog]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> At the very least you sure got Matt quivering<p><hr></blockquote><p>Yeah, as witnessed by my HUGE contribution to this thread . . . <br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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#190677 - 09/10/04 02:59 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>please, no word pictures.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Paul, seriously, why are you such a jackass?<br><br>****************<br><br>[color:blue]VOTE</font color=blue>[color:red] for President George W. Bush on November 2, 2004</font color=red>
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#190678 - 09/10/04 03:13 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: MattMac112]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> Paul, seriously, why are you such a jackass? <p><hr></blockquote><p> I'm a jack ass all the time (or so my wife keeps telling me) but why am I a jackass by not needing a visual picture of you all quivering, foam speckled LCD screen, lather covered iMac while you post non stop your liberal bias this liberal bias that? OK, I got a vivid imagination and I only need one graphic word to send me over the edge. <br><br>Am I a jackass because you may "win" this thread on points because lordy moses the memos are fake? <br><br>You're loopy. Do you have cartoon smoke coming out of your ears like a cartoon mouse or something?<br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190679 - 09/10/04 03:19 AM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: AfterTenSoftware]
sean Offline
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Registered: 05/21/01
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okay, i now have come across this link here<br><br>"The Selectric II had a lever (above the right platen knob) that would allow the platen to be turned freely but return to the same vertical line (for inserting such symbols as subscripts and superscripts), whereas the Selectric I did not."<br><br>and, here is a document that the dubya camp released showing the same superscripts:<br><br><br><br>and<br><br><br><br>though, i don't know the date of the first document, fwiw.<br><br>"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." dubya 8.6.04

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#190680 - 09/10/04 03:22 AM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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OK, I never said it was impossible to type in a proportional font in 72 or even type a superscript "th". But, such a typewriter in 72 would have been very very expensive, in the thousands of dollars expensive. It would be highly unlikely such a typewriter would be issued to a desk in the National Guard for typing memos.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>So if they are fakes then<br><br>1) they did not bother to find a typewriter<br>2) they did not bother to get a correct era typewriter<br>3) they used a proportional font<br>4) they used the superscript th<br>5) they xerox aged them to make them look like they came from a typewriter<p><hr></blockquote><p>Well in number 4 I would say that they didn't "use" the superscript "th", MS Word forced it on them. Superscripting the "th" is an automatic function of Word. Notice in some of the memos that "th" is separated from the word? That is the easy but clunky way to make word not superscript the "th".<br><br>So that begs, that if these were simply retyped...<br>1) Why would the typist bother trying to circumvent the auto-superscripting?<br>2) Why are the documents provided by CBS copies of copies of copies...? If these were innocently just retyped why did it have to go through so many copy iterations before reaching CBS. Isn't the more plausible explanation that the multi-copy technique was used to simply try and make the document look aged thereby further implicating these a fakes?<br><br>Last, why is this a Boo - Boo? The bottom of the story says "Developing...", that means there's more to come! <br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

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