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#190641 - 09/09/04 08:08 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: garyW]
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Well, I would think the standard in 1973 would have been a typewriter- and that doesn't look like anything a typewriter would spit out.<br><br>You would have thought that if they were going to try and create a fake memo, they would at least have used Courier...<br><br>[color:white]God speed, mikeb. Go drive your Boxster in the big Autobahn in the sky...</font color=white>

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#190642 - 09/09/04 08:32 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: AfterTenSoftware]
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You've got to hand it to CBS for really doing their home work. <br>I guess when you are a left leaning news outlet, and you can't find any dirt............just make some up!<br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
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#190643 - 09/09/04 08:32 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: DaddyMac]
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reading about some of the efforts to debunk this, it's been easily shown that the 70's model IBM Selectric uses the same proportional font. Waiting now to hear about the 'th'. Like I said in my first post, this will be a simple thing to uncover.<br><br>Drudge runs a headline using "Internet Report claims" as authenticity. Yeah, that's opinion. <br><br><br><br>
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#190644 - 09/09/04 08:36 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: garyW]
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I've got an old IBM selectric in the attic. If I get time later I will get up there and pull it out of storage. To be honest I really do not remember if it had the "th" feature or not. <br><br>

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#190645 - 09/09/04 08:38 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: mojo_jojo]
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Well, here's an interesting page on the subject of the IBM Selectric...<br><br>Could be possible after all...although I haven't gone through all the fonts that closely...<br><br>EDIT: Eh, not really finding anything that close to what the memo looks like..<br><br>[color:white]God speed, mikeb. Go drive your Boxster in the big Autobahn in the sky...</font color=white>

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#190646 - 09/09/04 08:39 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: Boothby4]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>You've got to hand it to CBS for really doing their home work.<p><hr></blockquote><p>My homework lesson took all of about ten minutes. I would have been faster but I was on the phone. I knew I used one of these in the 70's.<br><br>Other Dedicated Word Processors. IBM introduced a<br>number of later word processors incorporating various<br>improvements; other manufacturers followed IBM’s lead.<br>None of these achieved the success of the MT/ST. The<br>Magnetic Card Selectric Typewriter (1969) incorporated<br>the concept of the page into processing; one page was<br>stored on each magnetic card. In 1971 the Lexitron (not an<br>IBM product) added a display screen, using paper only for<br>the final output. IBM’s Magnetic Card Executive Typewriter<br>(1972) had proportional spacing in a single type<br>face, sacrificing the interchangeable type elements of the<br>Selectric. <br><br><br><br>As I said, hey the dude might have had known someone at IBM and was typing away on one of the betas for years. It's been known to happen. <br><br>luciferase is a four nineteener

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#190647 - 09/09/04 08:39 PM Re: 60 Minutes documents faked? [Re: AfterTenSoftware]
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Well it's not like 60 Minutes is a liberal bias......oh ya it is. Anyone want to take bets that 60 Minutes will spin this as they "retyped" it for clarity. <br><br>
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#190648 - 09/09/04 08:42 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: garyW]
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Actually no this has not been easily shown. The font on the memos is Times New Roman which was never available on any typewriter. Proportional spacing - yes, the font - no. BTW, only about 7 or 8 RARE, expensive typewriters of the time used proportional fonts. It would be also very weird that Microsoft choose this typewriter and its font as its template in creating Word since Word would be simulating all the tab stops and margins also.<br><br>Was there anything Drudge said that was untrue? Aren't "Internet reports claiming"? That's a fact, not an opinion.<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

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#190649 - 09/09/04 08:46 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: polymerase]
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Sure, completely plausable that either these were standard issue for typing one-page memos at national guard bases or the guy who writes a memo to implecate the future president got one from a mythical brother and he brought it to work to type up these one page memos. I mean, at the time it wouldn't be like these machines cost anywhere in the thousands of dollars range.<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

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#190650 - 09/09/04 08:46 PM Re: 60 Minuites documents faked? [Re: DaddyMac]
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Look at the scans from the 1970s IBM Type Styles and Elements brochure that are linked. I looked at every one. I was not able to find the elusive "th" anywhere. <br><br>

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