<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>so me not voting for Kerry is not a vote for Bush.<p><hr></blockquote><p>And most Democrats need to wake up for that. If Kerry loses, he cannot blame swing-/non-voters—only himself. The thought of W being in office for four more years terrifies me too, but I'm not going to waste my vote on Kerry either. <br><br>I had a very Democratic friend the other day try to tell me that I'd be voting for Bush by not voting for Kerry. I said no I wouldn't; to which he replied that Bush still could win anyway. I said I'd rather not vote than not be allowed to cast my vote for a third candidate and that he could go f himself in that regard. I also believe that sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better (hitting rock bottom so to speak). The whole line of corporate milquetoasts that we've been subjected to over the last couple of decades is disheartening and I refuse to use my vote to put another one into office. <blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But, once again I will not be voting for either boob<p><hr></blockquote><p>Hee hee. I've been thinking of designing a tee shirt with the Democratic and Republican seals on the front of the shirt right in the position and size of a couple of large teets with the line, "why does everyone only look at the boobs?" or "everyone focuses on the boobs!" written under it. As an extension, I would probably put the alternate candidates and/or parties and URLs to their Websites on the back.<br><br>
Ivan, it may be funny to you; but I can't tell you how disheartened I am about the way politics is covered here in this country. I can see the humor, but I'm so frustrated about it on the other hand. It's so difficult to catch anything outside of out-of-context and sensationalist soundbites in the only-for-profit media. That said, it's not like the standard politicians are giving us anything of real substance to work with. It's a chicken and egg thing for me (which came first?) when I look to where the problem stems from: is it the American public's lack of interest or involvement or is it the media and politicians lack of acting like adults? <br><br>It's nearly impossible to have an empathetic discussion with a person of opposing view in American culture (as illustrated many times over in this forum). That doesn't help matters either. How often does "I see your point" come up in these discussions? It's nearly always a tit-for-tat back and forth of trying to disprove the other guy. No names here and the "sides" are interchangeable: <ul>[*]Joe Blow make some statements</li>[*]Bill Shmo makes a counter argument and uses multiple proofs.</li>[*]Joe Blow counter-argues the disputable proofs but completely ignores the indisputable proofs (the missing "I see your point") and comes up with his own list of counter proofs (some disputable, some indisputable).</li>[*]repeat until folks start calling each other either Nazis or Commies. </li>[/LIST]<br><br>
What do you mean back in the 19th century? I was doing volunteer work back in 2000, and the democrats were going around town picking up van loads of people and bringing them to the poles. When the people came in to vote and had no ID the workers would flip open the books and say "point to your name", then take them to the machine and "assist" them with voting. We raised a huge stink over it, but they made it a race issue and it died right there. <br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex
Salus populi suprema lex
The bumper sticker's right: _ _ it happens. Here in my county, predominantly Republican, exactly the opposite was happening, as poll workers were preventing people who had trouble with English from voting. But at least the feds stepped in and put a stop to that. Same should have happened down where you are.<br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p> It's so difficult to catch anything outside of out-of-context and sensationalist soundbites in the only-for-profit media. That said, it's not like the standard politicians are giving us anything of real substance to work with. <p><hr></blockquote><p>funny you say those two sentences together. i just posted about this in another thread/topic. have you read kerry's website <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/">on the issues</a>? there is some substance there and it's too much for him to explain in interviews . . . and, if he did, it certainly wouldn't' be picked up as a sound-bite. as much as you can expect for someone who will have to hire the team and bring them together to solidify some of the details anyway. in any regard, i don't agree with all of his issues, but i certainly think he's choosing a much better path than dubya for our future.<br><br>"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." dubya 8.6.04
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