OK, I hope most of the anti-French stuff that you hear is "funny." But there's no doubt that France is not a popular country in the US. My question is why--and the lack of support for the Iraqui intervention is not even the beginning of a full answer.<br><br>I imagine some of it has to do with England's historical conflicts with France, and with the usual pre-20th century (and maybe continuing) English sense of superiority over the French. We assume English prejudices because England is our "mother country," even though so few Americans are of British descent (and if you factor in the fact that Scotland never had that sense of being superior to France, then the numbers here are even lower). But that can't be all of it.<br><br>Is it because without France there would have been no United States--a continuing sense of historical insecurity? That strikes me as far-fetched in a country where "history" means what happened a week ago.<br><br>Is it because France has a history that goes back at least 1400 years and ours goes back only 250? Again, I doubt that--Americans seem not to give much impotance to those kinds of points.<br><br>The canard that the French can't fight is so transparently a non-issue that I can't believe that people give it any credence.<br><br>France in the post-WW II period always wanted to chart its own course--it didn't join the military aspect of NATO, it didn't always follow the US lead in international initiatives, etc.: are we ticked off because the French try to be independent? Seems a bit petty to me, but I guess that's possible. If so, I wonder how France feels about our non-support in the Sinai Crisis, or in Algeria, or in . . . .<br><br>The assertions that French people are nasty is, in my personal experience, simply stupid. Granted that the woman who ran the B&B I stayed at near the Gare du Nord was a bitch--but she was a bitch because she was a nasty person, not because she was French. Everyone else I met and talked with in Paris and in the south of France was kind, considerate, friendly. Anecdotal evidence, I grant, but at least based on experience.<br><br>That they're nasty cause they don't bathe is also silly. That may have been true in the 17th or 18th century--but then no one bathed back then, and the French were no different in that regard from the English, the Italians, the Spanish, the Poles, etc., etc.<br><br>It's always possible that we hate them because they have such wonderful cheese and we don't. Or because they value art and we don't. Or because they love to sit of an afternoon at a cafe and talk, and we don't.<br><br>Me, I love France. It is one of the loveliest places I've ever been.<br><br>
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>My question is why--and the lack of support for the Iraqui intervention is not even the beginning of a full answer.<p><hr></blockquote><p>why can't that be it? i think the vast majority of americans have no clue about much of the history between the countries and it's more of a what have you done for me lately attitide that we tend to live by. <br><br>most people hate france because of the negative attention it received in the run up to the iraq war. freedom fries . . . john kerry looks french. conservatives used france to represent everything that was wrong with the world for not jumping on our bandwagon.<br><br><br>"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." dubya 8.6.04
I'm as puzzled as you are. Their valuing art, a good cheese may be the closest you are ever going to get. Up to DeGaulle the French, and some parts of the world thought that the French language was the language of the diplomat. I think I was told that in grade school (while taking French). So they missed out on that one. Are they ticked at that? Their leadership has always seemed to go their own way and not kowtow to the USA but lots of countries do that.<br><br>I think you might have come closest with the cafe in the afternoon drinking coffee and eating cheese and talking. The French do this the best and we do this the worst. I go to France every other year and the one thing I long for is the food. The cheese. (Except goat cheese, can't stand it.) The French take virtually anything, a snail, a slug, a mold, and turn it into something amazingly tasty.<br><br>In South Carolina they serve pulled pork. I love it. I can buy a pound of it cold and eat it out of the container in the car. Every one complains it is too fatty.<br>In the Loire Valley in France they make rillete. Very close to pulled pork when cold but it is purreed and has more fat. On a piece of French bread it blows away pulled pork. I wish a French cook would come to South Carolina and show them how to make it.<br><br><br>paper cuts hurt
I don't know what the French do but they don't seem to be dying from eating too much of their cuisine. At least their asses are not showing it. The few times one sees a fat ass in Paris it is always attached to a mouth speaking English with an American accent. I had to go to a Walmart in SC last month. I haven't been in one in years and this thing was huge. It had everything. Including the largest accumulation of fat asses I have ever seen. I put my cart back because you couldn't get down the aisles. A real shame as these people are not doing themselves any good.<br><br>I think it is the wine. My wife and I split a bottle every night and maybe two on Saturday. Works for me. <br><br><br><br><br>paper cuts hurt
On a piece of French bread it blows away pulled pork.<br><br>Something very odd about that sentence...<br><br>[color:white]God speed, mikeb. Go drive your Boxster in the big Autobahn in the sky...</font color=white>
Red or white vino? Makes a difference in the tannin... the stuff that's good for the blood. <br><br>Although I've been there, done that, and it's real fun - beer for me most school nights, thanks! - I expect splitting a bottle with the S.O. every single night can't be too good for you over the long term.<br><br>I know, I know - but what a way to go. <br><br>(;->))<br><br>max<br>[color:red]EGG</font color=red><br>Moments & more
Well, now, I heard on the radio about three weeks ago that a couple of glasses of red wine are good not only for the old circulatory system, but also for the brain. Studies show that people wo drink wine are "smarter" than people who don't. And apparently the more you drink, the smarter you get. Go figure.<br><br>
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Nine out of ten, red. Good for the heart. I've been doing martinis to cut back on the calories. But end up drinking both. High metabolic rate or I have double copies of the alcohol dehydrogenase gene. I dated a girl who was half Japanese, half indeterminate Hawaiian. She was short a few copies. Extremely cheap date. One shote of Wild Turkey and she was loopy. <br><br><br><br><br>paper cuts hurt
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