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#181897 - 07/30/04 08:16 PM Where's the beef?
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This is not a pro Bush or anti Kerry post. <br><br>My question is about Kerry's speech and why he has been nominated.<br><br>In his speech, where was his plan for attacking the issues we face? I don't mean generalities. I mean, where did he point so a specific problem and say how he would resolve that problem? <br><br>To date I haven't heard him or any of his supporters express a specific plan for anything. Based on that, how the heck can an entire political party nominate him. Where's the critera that qualifies him?<br><br>I heard Larry Elder and Gloria Alread debate Kerry yesterday. At the end of it, Larry asked her a direct question. What is Kerry's plan... for anything? She didn't answer. She coudln't answer. How could she? Like the rest of us, she hasn't heard any. I'm reminded of Ross Perot.<br><br>
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#181898 - 07/30/04 08:18 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: skuldugary]
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His whole campaign and his support is based on him being the anti-Bush nothing more need be said or done for them.<br><br>
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#181899 - 07/30/04 08:28 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: skuldugary]
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I don't know how you can say that about a guy who's health care plan has been reviewed favorably by several medical journals. He has repeatedly laid out his budgetary and jobs policy. He has signaled a change in foreign policy. His web site has a complete list of policy overviews.<br><br>Just because his criticism of Bush is the only thing the broadcast news media can squeeze into a ten second sound byte doesn't mean he doesn't have several detailed policies.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
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#181900 - 07/30/04 08:30 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: Michael]
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That's your opinion, man. I happen to think Kerry will make a fine president.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
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#181901 - 07/30/04 08:31 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: skuldugary]
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Kerry: "I've told you about our plans for the economy, for education, for health care, for energy independence. I want you to know more about them. So now I'm going to say something that Franklin Roosevelt could never have said in his acceptance speech: go to johnkerry.com. "<br><br>
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#181902 - 07/30/04 08:33 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: newkojak]
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Me too. I plan on voting for him. I'm also hoping that we will then get a senator here in MA that is ambitious.<br><br>
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#181903 - 07/30/04 08:36 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: Michael]
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I think last night made many anti-Bush become pro-Kerry voters.<br><br>Did you happen to catch the MSNBC focus group bit after the speech? Pollster Frank Lutz (a proven GOP whore ) had a large group in Ohio that showed this to be the case. Even he was surprised.<br><br>
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#181904 - 07/30/04 08:37 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: Michael]
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Exactly, and just because he's against Bush does not mean he has any clue as to what to do as the leader of our country. <br><br>Granted, Bush has the advantage here, because he's already addressing issues. Yet, if I saw Bush spending his time throwing mud at Kerry, I'd have serious doubts about him. <br><br>I believe many, if not most, of us know misdirection when we see it. If all someone talks about is how they hate that guys policy, or reverse the other guys actions. Well, that doesn't tell us how, or when. <br><br>We spend weeks, sometimes months, pouring over data, articles, reviews, when we research buying a camera or a computer. If we demanded and got that same kind of information for anyone looking to run our country, I don't think there would be much disagreement between any of us about who was best qualified.<br><br><br><br>
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#181905 - 07/30/04 08:51 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: skuldugary]
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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>...does not mean he has any clue as to what to do as the leader of our country. <p><hr></blockquote><p><br>you could have said this about Bush in the 2000 elections too.<br><br>

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#181906 - 07/30/04 08:56 PM Re: Where's the beef? [Re: skuldugary]
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It may appear that Kerry defining himself as diametrically opposed to Bush, but how else is he supposed to illustrate the choice voters have in the fall election? He is also running against Bush's neglect of several issues. Is the fact that Kerry has a plan to lower health care costs just another anti-Bush maneuver because Bush doesn't have such a plan?<br><br>If you interpret it as such, there really isn't much Kerry can (or should) do to satisfy your demands.<br><br>-- Charlie Alpha Roger Yankee Whiskey
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