For a very long time I put my support behind this admin. Not because I voted it in — quite the contrary — but because I believed they must know things that we, as private citizens, can not. Now it seems that they didn't really know that much either (at least what they knew originated from bad sources), but inflated and twisted much of it and even fabricated some to fit an agenda.<br><br>I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach now. I just don't know who to believe. Not Moore — that's for sure, because he's just as good at manipulation as the next guy. What I fear is that even if/when the whole truth does emerge, it will have been too late, and at too high a cost.<br><br>

We fell for that, "they know more than we as private citizens" with Nixon and the Vietnam war. We shouldn't fall for it again.<br><br>As for Moore, I think I will just go check out the movie. I think Moore realizes that in this one he cannot stretch the facts to bludgeon us with his points. I have a feeling he isn't going to have one frame out of order. Too important to get the truth out there. Because you're right, The truth on these issues coming to late and we will pay an extremely high cost. I'm afraid we are already into our mortgage. There's always refinancing opportunities come Nov 2.<br><br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>In reply to:<br><br>Iraq had been supporting terrorists in Isreal by giving cash to the families of bombers.<br><br>depending where you stand Israel is a terrorist state because it has taken the land of Palestinians and continue to terrorize them until Today or you can say that they suffer from evil Palestinian terrorists. if you ask the people of Middle East they will tell you that the first option is the reality. and they know better, than the people living thousands of miles away.<br><p><hr></blockquote><p><br>Does the Muslim community really see Israeli involvement <br>(...being perceived as a 'Terrorist State') as a factor that <br>may be contributing to the on going war?<br><br>I hadn't thought much about it until now...<br> <br><br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green>

<br>AGREED!<br><br>The "All-Knowing-Good-Father" image is a dream of the past.<br>I've come to see that these "Good Fathers" can be REAL 'Mothers'! <br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green>

That's a very well worded reply.<br><br><br>

I agree trog. Especially the first paragraph of iVan's.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach now. I just don't know who to believe.<p><hr></blockquote><p>that very well describes many people nowadays. including me.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Does the Muslim community really see Israeli involvement <br>(...being perceived as a 'Terrorist State') as a factor that <br>may be contributing to the on going war?<p><hr></blockquote><p>i didn't quite understand what you are asking. if you are asking that if the Israeli conflict affects the situation in Iraq. i don't think so. Some Iraqis have their own reasons to resist "occupation".<br><br>if you meant to ask if the issue of Palestine/Israel has anything to do with the global rise of terrorism than the answer is yes. Bin Laden & Co is very pissed about the fact that the US is supporting Israel in the Middle East. it's at least one of the main three reasons Al Qaeda has such big support.<br><br>

I meant the latter. <br><br>If this is an issue, why is it not coming to the attention of the American people?<br>as far as I know, it has never been brought up at all.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green>

well, of course not. everyone believes that terrorism exist because as Bush said, these people don't like our way of life and want to destroy our democracy. they don't want to do that! they don't give a crap.<br><br>they are pissed because of Israel, they are pissed because the US has a base and military presence all over the Middle East (especially Saudi), they are pissed because the US enforces their rules on the free trade (to keep the Oil price down for example), they are pissed because the US run over Afghanistan and Iraq. they are not pissed because we are Christian or because we have beaches with girls in bikini. that's the propaganda. if the current administration would solve these key issues and would stick to it for a year or two, Al Qaeda would fall apart. of course i don't have the slightest idea how to solve these issues and where would it lead...<br><br>