maybe I should have explained this in more detail.<br><br>The people who are residents of Iraq are glad to have the American soldiers there. By the way, America is not the only country with military forces there; even though the media goes to great pains to imply otherwise. <br><br>Further, the ones lobbing morters are Al Queda (or however they spell it) They are from Syria, Iran, Libya, Arabia, and their goal is to destabilize any form of government. Though theses terrorists fall under the same name, they are factions taking direction from different war lords. Their hope is to drive out any government and they battle each other for the biggest chunk of land they can get. <br><br>I should also point out that any time you hear the media report criticism of the US from the Middle East, they are quoting, not the average Iraqi, but leaders of these same terrorists organizations. Haven't you noticed that the media rarely, if ever, names the source of the quote? <br><br>So you see, there's a lot of talk coming through our televisions that is untrue, and misleading. Want to know what's really going on there, talk one on one with a soldier.<br><br>"You're off the edge of the map, mate! Here there be monsters!"
#172352 - 06/19/0403:47 PMRe: ready to change your mind about iraq now?
Let's face it, this issue can be looked at politically, emotionally, morally, fiscally, strategically, historically, ethically, ethnically, culturally... whew — you name it! And that means there are probably more POVs, and more angles, and especially more questions than answers, than anyone can intelligently sort out. Which means that the truth is a most slippery slope.<br><br>We should be there, and we should not be there. We need to stay the course, and we need to get the hell outta there ASAP. All at the same time. The one thing we can all agree on is that it's a mess over there. But what we can't agree on — because, it all depends on your personal POV and who's facts you choose to accept — is whether it's a bigger or lesser mess than when the coalition first put "boots on the ground".<br><br>Who knows if one definitive answer will ever surface? <br><br>
Put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi fruit seller tending his stand on a street corner in Baghdad. A US soldier approaches in full body armor and an M4 assault rifle slung forward, hand on the grip.<br><br>He asks, "Do you like me?"<br><br>you answer:<br><br>A) Yes, I love you and your entire regiment. I have pin ups of George Bush and Rumsfield on my wall at home.<br><br>B) No, I hate you and the humiliation your invasion has brought down upon my country. If I had a rotten tomato I would throw it at you.<br><br>Not sure, but somehow the response that one soldier gets is something that I would build a foreign policy on.<br><br><br>
You should try talking to some of the PEOPLE who LIVE there.<br>...and I don't mean the foreign contractors, that came to grab off<br>THEIR piece of the pie...... I mean the native inhabitants.<br><br>I do.<br><br>During times that I've headed my own forums, I became intimate friends<br>with people from all over the globe, and I still maintain most of the contacts.<br><br>[color:green]"...or am I a butterfly that's dreaming she's a woman?"</font color=green>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Want to know what's really going on there, talk one on one with a soldier.<p><hr></blockquote><p>i'm sorry but that source is a bit biased don't you think? most of the soldiers i met here, but not all are not very much aware of the reality. the brainwashing system is very strong. i listen to the pentagon radio here that's coming from the base and i got to tell you, the propaganda is really amazing! it's just like during socialism in Hungary. the radio continuously reassures the staff that what they are doing is great and that they are helping the locals and whatever is happening is Guantanamo bay is just perfect, bla... bla... bla...<br><br>here is a blog of an american soldier who does know what's going however. read it! http://letterfrombahrain.blogspot.com/ (Safari can't handle the frames properly, but it's readable).<br><br>
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from the blog:<br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I’m not an advocate of Operation Iraqi Freedom doublespeak and the phony introduction of democracy. A transfer of power in Iraq cannot be resolved by democratic elections because the very people who most hate America will be elected. The American occupation is a horribly transparent attempt to destabilize the Middle East and colonize the world’s number two oil producer.<p><hr></blockquote><p>
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#172358 - 06/19/0408:55 PMRe: ready to change your mind about iraq now?
One person's POV. Shared by who-knows-how-many? A handful or hundreds? Doesn't matter, because it's as valid as others. There is no single answer here.<br>But speaking of troops, I just hope the public's eroding support for this war doesn't negatively brand these guys the way 'Nam did to those soldiers. Back then, public resentment for our involvement in that conflict was transferred to the men and women who had little choice but to follow orders.<br><br>Returning Vietnam Vets were literally spat upon as they attempted to re-enter society. It was absolutely shameful, and I sure don't wanna see that happen again.<br><br>
<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I just hope the public's eroding support for this war doesn't negatively brand these guys the way 'Nam did<p><hr></blockquote><p>Why was that, I never did understand that mentality?<br><br>I have no evidence for it, but I don't think it will, even after all this torture bit. The wars are never started by the soldiers, and it just seems like people are pretty aware of the reasons why this war was started... even though the two major opinions differ so much.<br><br>
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