Dang it...I missed it!! <br><br>

Your credibility, or lack of same stems from your two faced approach. You can't stand it when anyone doesn't follow, lock step, with what you believe. Really, do I have to draw you a map?<br><br>If you post something here, you're making a 'statement' and trying to 'enlighten us'. If I post something, I'm "crying about it."<br><br>Honestly, do you not see how silly you are?<br><br>Now I'm a bigot? Oh, because I use the expression 'animals' when I talking about the people who cut someones head off? Let me see, what's worse, oral sex or having my head cut off? Hmmmm, gee that's a real poser. <br><br>Tell me, while you're ranting and all, what's wrong with being "middle class white suburban america". You sound like you'd prefer this country turned to communism. Are you a Socialist? You sound a lot like one.<br><br>"You're off the edge of the map, mate! Here there be monsters!"

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>WHAT!?<br><br>First to the broomstick thing you have brought up twice? What is your point?<p><hr></blockquote><p>I haven't brought up the broomstick thing twice, just once, and my point was that "rape" and severe sexual abuse are very similar. Along the same line, saying "mission accomplished" in a speech to the active military in Iraq would cause one to believe the fighting is over.<br><br>

This is an open question to everyone here, not specificly you.<br><br>You have a member of a group sworn to kill as many people by what ever means they can. Old, young, men, woman, kids... This prisoner is responsible for horrible acts. You've seen the slaughter, the devistated families, the kids with no parents, all of it. It's up to you to stop the killing by getting information out of this prisoner. <br>What would you do? How far would you go to save a life? ten lives? How far would you have gone if you knew you could have prevented 9-11? <br>I will forever have an image in my mind that shakes me to my soul. It's a woman jumping from the tower. Who was she? Who loved her? Who did she leave behind? Did she think about her loved ones during that long fall?<br><br>What would I do to stop that? How far would I go? I honestly can't say. We all have a line we can not cross. Would I humiliate the prisinor? In a heart beat. Would I inflict pain? That's a hard one, but.... if I could stop that woman from flinging herself off the top of that building.... <br><br>"You're off the edge of the map, mate! Here there be monsters!"

If in your comment,<br><br>"The cycle of violence will be broken when the war is won."<br><br>you were referring to the "War on Terror" (as opposed to the narrower war currently being fought in Iraq), then I would submit the cycle of violence will never be broken, as a war against a concept cannot be won ...<br><br>***matt<br><br>Turn up the signal, wipe out the noise ...

Unbelieveable. You do read your own posts, right?<br>Brought up twice:<br>1) A single post posing a question to me. I did not answer that post.<br>2) Making a silly comparison between the difference of "Mission Accomplished" and "War" over.<br><br>It seems as if you'd like to have your politics in sound bytes, spoon fed to you so you wouldn't really have to think or analyize what is being said. But how about you go read the speech on "Mission Acocmpished" day instead of assuming that the entire speech is summarized by those words?<br><br>"Hey Dean, why don't you awswer your own question?"<br>Ok, I will.<br><br>You won't read the speech because it immediatly contradicts your false assertion that Mission Accomplished = War Over as evidenced by my two previous quotes whose meaning, of course, remains undisputed.<br><br><blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Along the same line, saying "mission accomplished" in a speech to the active military in Iraq would cause one to believe the fighting is over.<p><hr></blockquote><p>It certainly didn't cause me to believe the fighting was over. Especially since the actual speech says as much serveral times. But that really the difference between us. I actually listened to the speech.<br><br>BTW, where did I say rape wasn't sexual abuse?<br><br><br><br>Dean Davis

And I would submit that you are wrong. But that is an issue of personal belief. In this case you will believe one thing and I another. I don't think either side is really provable at this point.<br><br>Dean Davis

Nice honkers! <br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>This is not the way rational people think. Rational people look at the seriousness of the charge coupled with the relevent evidence and begin a serious investigation and wait for the results.<p><hr></blockquote><p>i assure you that i am rational with regard to this issue. rational people examine available evidence and jump to conclusions all of the time because it is human nature to do so. this is why we have a constitution that ensures people that the gov't should not jump to conclusions and presume guilt and that a proper trial will occur; however, that doesn't stop rational people from doing it all of the time. and, my head is cool through all of this. i am sickened by the stories of beheading, rape, torture, murder, etc., but i am not getting heated as i discuss this with my friends on this forum.<br><br>----<br>"even if we get bin Laden or Zawahiri now, it is 2 years 2 late. Al Qaeda is a very different org now. It has had time to adapt. The administration should have finished this job." Leverett, former Bush Nat’l Security Cncl staff specialist.

Lord, Giz--such a reasonable approach might get you in serious trouble. Next thing you know, people might say you're moderate <br><br>